For all you anti gun hoplophobes on here

Is it just me or are guns getting less deadly?

The man, aged 35, and the girl remain in a critical but stable condition.

The girl, who is thought to be the youngest victim of gun crime in London, was shot in the chest.

The shopkeeper, who lived above the store, was shot in the face. The victims were not related.

Somebody shot in the face survived?
I know this is rare, but it happened to that senator in America recently too.
and a young girl, shot in the chest and surviving? Crazy.

This is obviously a good thing, though.

Seriously the comments just get better and better on this thread, a kevlar vest might stop a 9mm, but not a rifle, he can just keep shooting and shooting until you die or he can shoot you in the head, thus you need a way of stopping the threat, your logic is that we should just equip soldiers on peacekepping missions with bulletproof armour.

]It goes on the adage that the best defense is a strong offense. Or kill before getting killed. Just because you havea gun does not mean you cant use it to defend yourself. You can defend yourself by shooting back.

How did you manage to get a gun...? I though they didn't give them out to the insane?

I think you mean statistically suggested, your point is valid though, increase in gun crime doesn't necesserily mean an increase in violent crime. However I would be surprised if the kids in the US schools shot by one of their peers would still have been killed if he/she hadn't had access to a gun.

But if someone's threatening you with a gun, when are you going to have time to get your own gun out? Presumably they'll shoot you as soon as they see you attempting this.

I don't really see how carrying a gun does stop the threat. You're not exactly going to be walking around the streets pointing a gun at everyone you see just so that they don't threaten you with one first. But in order to shoot before getting shot, that's what you'd need to do - point your gun at them before they point it at you.

Let's say a guy comes up to you in a car park and points a gun at your head, demanding that you hand over your car keys. You're carrying a gun on you as well. What exactly are you going to do? How are you going to "defend yourself" with a gun? How does the fact that you're carrying a gun help you in any way?

I would do whats nessecary to protect my life and if that means putting a .45 in his head then so be it, not much of a survivalist are you?

But if someone's threatening you with a gun, when are you going to have time to get your own gun out? Presumably they'll shoot you as soon as they see you attempting this.

I don't really see how carrying a gun does stop the threat. You're not exactly going to be walking around the streets pointing a gun at everyone you see just so that they don't threaten you with one first. But in order to shoot before getting shot, that's what you'd need to do - point your gun at them before they point it at you.

Let's say a guy comes up to you in a car park and points a gun at your head, demanding that you hand over your car keys. You're carrying a gun on you as well. What exactly are you going to do? How are you going to "defend yourself" with a gun? How does the fact that you're carrying a gun help you in any way?

Guns are for pussies... I take a pair of mini scissors with me when I walk down to the garage on nights.

Ever killed anyone? Didn't think so, how can you know what you would do on the spur of the moment, I'm sure a desperate drug addicted burglar would waste you much more easily than you could do him, or what about your loved ones?....

Currently the majority of people with guns are criminals who would use them illegally on innocents.
With more liberal gun laws, the majority of people with guns would be law-obeying citizens.

I think the second scenario is obviously more preferable. Also, we have places like Switzerland where virtually everyone owns guns but there is a low murder/crime rate. To me that proves that, at the end of the day, it's still a person pulling the trigger - the gun doesn't have a mind of its own - and if we educated people on gun safety it could be done. And although not a huge benefit, it would provide whole new markets to help the economy, e.g. people selling guns, people making guns, people repairing them, gun firing ranges, etc.

Hardballer, whilst I agree with you, I think it's a null argument. I seriously doubt this country will ever move towards a more liberal stance on gun laws. The people are too brainwashed.

unfortunately so, but its always good to educate the sheep we have in this country who think guns just jump up by themselves and kill people

guns haven't killed anybody, only people are capable of that, and the chinese invented the firearm back in the twelfth centuary so feel free to vent your anger at them, and it takes a man to walk away whilst your family are gangraped.

lol im pretty sure a whole family cant get gangraped but yeh the satisfaction of beating them with my own hands would be more satisfying than just shooting them =/