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M.Litt Finanace and Management (St.Andrews) vs MSc Corporate Finance (Cass)

Hi everyone,

I have seen some other comparing the schools but never really got what people think and say about it so I'll try a new one and hope you will contribute to the discussion with your opinion.

I have been accepted to these two courses and must decide which to take. As everyone knows, there's the pros and cons for both of them. I mainly want to focus on the money vs. network part, as this is the most annoying and uncertain part of the decision making.

Is it really worth paying 14k GBP more for Cass? Then I have to add the extra cost of living in London of course. Am I more likely to get a job within finance with Cass? Is that job twice as good/likely to get?

Btw, does anyone know how good the career services is at St. Andrews? Can't find too much information compared to Cass.

Most of you do understand my problem here so I hope you will contribute and help me decide if it's really worth the extra money.

I am also thinking of applying to Imperial, but in that case I will most likely lose a deposit when switching course, which is a lot of money in the bin. That is a future problem, in the case I get accepted, which most likely is small.

Thanks for your help and advice, every post is useful!
Daniel
Reply 1
I studied for my Bachelors in Business Management in London and graduated last year and two friends of mine are now at St. Andrews, one is on the Mlitt Finance and another on the Mlitt International Business and we all went to the open evenings for the Cass MSc's and another friend is on the M.Sc. Energy, Trade & Finance.

Cass Business School is really good for placements which is crucial (Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, UBS, etc..) and London offers plenty of opportunities, though I could never understand how they quite justify tuition fees 100% more than 95% of the other Business Schools.

The M.Sc. Energy, Shipping, Trade & Finance courses are £23,000 this year!

The Cass Business School is a separate entity to City campus and there is an incredible atmosphere there with free copies of the FT to pick up every morning and specialist Bloomberg Terminals etc.

Both schools are highly revered, and attract a high calibre of international students from many countries, so the network is going to be similar, personal opinion - I believe Cass will offer the better networking opportunity - especially if you are really proactive about it.

St. Andrews is called the 'bubble' for a reason but everyone there is incredibly focused but it really is out in the sticks!

I would say the end result is going to be similar - employers do understand what Cass is trying to do in churning out 'City' industry professionals and I see on Linkedin more graduates from Cass working in the City, if that is what you are ultimately aiming for, which studying finance I assume is.

I don't think St Andrews is going to be a real hindrance or disadvantage.

£14,000 though! that's another M.Sc.!

If you've got that extra 14,000 you could consider Zicklin School of Business in New York (My
My friend did an exchange year at CUNY and got a placement with UBS, and needed to prove she had 13,000 in her account to support herself) http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/programs/graduate/ms and here are the tuition fees http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/admissions/grad/tuition.html but, I don't know, if you're a home or international student, for internationalising your CV, which you might be doing by studying in London.

It's been difficult to answer this! I think I would go for cost if it were me, purely on the fact that Cass is expensive, but it is London!

If both courses were the same price - Cass, no questions.

It does come down to cost doesn't it?! I feel your pain! I think Cass is confident it can charge that much because it will deliver.

I hope it helps you get a step further.

Reply 2
Original post by Protagoras


I think Cass is confident it can charge that much because it will deliver.



I should have just wrote that!
Reply 3
Original post by Protagoras
I studied for my Bachelors in Business Management in London and graduated last year and two friends of mine are now at St. Andrews, one is on the Mlitt Finance and another on the Mlitt International Business and we all went to the open evenings for the Cass MSc's and another friend is on the M.Sc. Energy, Trade & Finance.

Cass Business School is really good for placements which is crucial (Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, UBS, etc..) and London offers plenty of opportunities, though I could never understand how they quite justify tuition fees 100% more than 95% of the other Business Schools.

The M.Sc. Energy, Shipping, Trade & Finance courses are £23,000 this year!

The Cass Business School is a separate entity to City campus and there is an incredible atmosphere there with free copies of the FT to pick up every morning and specialist Bloomberg Terminals etc.

Both schools are highly revered, and attract a high calibre of international students from many countries, so the network is going to be similar, personal opinion - I believe Cass will offer the better networking opportunity - especially if you are really proactive about it.

St. Andrews is called the 'bubble' for a reason but everyone there is incredibly focused but it really is out in the sticks!

I would say the end result is going to be similar - employers do understand what Cass is trying to do in churning out 'City' industry professionals and I see on Linkedin more graduates from Cass working in the City, if that is what you are ultimately aiming for, which studying finance I assume is.

I don't think St Andrews is going to be a real hindrance or disadvantage.

£14,000 though! that's another M.Sc.!

If you've got that extra 14,000 you could consider Zicklin School of Business in New York (My
My friend did an exchange year at CUNY and got a placement with UBS, and needed to prove she had 13,000 in her account to support herself) http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/programs/graduate/ms and here are the tuition fees http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/admissions/grad/tuition.html but, I don't know, if you're a home or international student, for internationalising your CV, which you might be doing by studying in London.

It's been difficult to answer this! I think I would go for cost if it were me, purely on the fact that Cass is expensive, but it is London!

If both courses were the same price - Cass, no questions.

It does come down to cost doesn't it?! I feel your pain! I think Cass is confident it can charge that much because it will deliver.

I hope it helps you get a step further.



Thanks for your advice.

Currently, I’ve just been told at rather short notice to attend an interview at Cass for the MSc in Energy, Trading and Finance.

I was wondering if you could share some tips on what to expect from this interview. I tried using the search function but not a lot of totally relevant stuff came up.

Any help would be very much appreciated
Reply 4
Original post by Kevin V
Thanks for your advice.

Currently, I’ve just been told at rather short notice to attend an interview at Cass for the MSc in Energy, Trading and Finance.

I was wondering if you could share some tips on what to expect from this interview. I tried using the search function but not a lot of totally relevant stuff came up.

Any help would be very much appreciated


I interviewed over the phone, but I don't think it should be that different. None of the questions should surprise you. If you're an international student, they'll probably try to get a sense of your English proficiency. Otherwise, they'll just need to understand how comfortable you are with quantitative subjects, your current experience, how you can enrich class discussions and possibly your goals for the future. Relax, ask questions if you have any (maybe ask them to justify the fees! :smile:). It's no job interview. They'll only try to determine whether or not you're a good fit for the class, and you should go in there to find out the same.

Good luck.
(edited 10 years ago)
Reply 5
Original post by Samuel107
I interviewed over the phone, but I don't think it should be that different. None of the questions should surprise you. If you're an international student, they'll probably try to get a sense of your English proficiency. Otherwise, they'll just need to understand how comfortable you are with quantitative subjects, your current experience, how you can enrich class discussions and possibly your goals for the future. Relax, ask questions if you have any (maybe ask them to justify the fees! :smile:). It's no job interview. They'll only try to determine whether or not you're a good fit for the class, and you should go in there to find out the same.

Good luck.


Thanks for your reply , have you got the offer already ?

These questions just made my hair curl :frown:

How comfortable you are with quantitative subjects ( do I need to do some Maths or Stats here ? )

Your current experience (I am still in Uni and havent got any hand on experiences especially related to Energy :s-smilie: )

How can you enrich class discussions ? (eek can i ask what did you said to this ? )

Your goals for the future ( Im fine with this one )

How to ask him to jutisfy the fee ? ( I think the tution fee is a bit of sensitive matter here .)



Scared, very scared, but thank you for your well wishes.
Reply 6
Original post by Kevin V
Thanks for your reply , have you got the offer already ?

These questions just made my hair curl :frown:

How comfortable you are with quantitative subjects ( do I need to do some Maths or Stats here ? )

Your current experience (I am still in Uni and havent got any hand on experiences especially related to Energy :s-smilie: )

How can you enrich class discussions ? (eek can i ask what did you said to this ? )

Your goals for the future ( Im fine with this one )

How to ask him to jutisfy the fee ? ( I think the tution fee is a bit of sensitive matter here .)



Scared, very scared, but thank you for your well wishes.


It's not so bad. Got an offer while I was still in school in 2011 but had to turn it down. I have another offer now. I don't believe they need any high-level maths; you should be fine if you did well in your basic undergrad maths, stats and econ courses. Just let them know you're comfortable taking on numbers. Be prepared for the 'tell me about yourself/background' questions. You can raise any relevant extra-curricular activities here. You should have a compelling reason for considering a career in Energy, why now, why Cass, and know how the program could affect your career goals. They're probably not going to ask 'how are you going to influence class discussions', but most try to gauge that from the quality of your responses to other questions.

Ask questions when you're given the chance. Class size, diversity, job prospects... whatever you want to know. You'll do better if you're relaxed. Top schools need high-caliber students as much as such students need top schools.

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