Is Scottish independence a &#x27;good or bad&#x27; thing?

Original post by Choo.choo

Actually, the polls did, inaccurately, predict Labour to win the Scottish election in 2011. The SNP won a landslide.

You are drivelling. The polls clearly predicted an SNP victory from a month before the election.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

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Midlander

Original post by DOM Alpha Badboy

Bad thing for England, good thing for Scotland outside of some orange bigots from Glasgow.

Why is England tantamount to RUK? Was Sturgeon your geography teacher?

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DOM Alpha Badboy

Original post by Midlander

Why is England tantamount to RUK? Was Sturgeon your geography teacher?

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Did I say England was tantamount to the rest of the UK?

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Original post by Choo.choo

Why are you against independence? Independence is the best thing that could happen to Scotland. Why do you think the union works? Why are the London elite so keen to hang onto Scotland? Why don't they just let us go? Westminster only want to hang onto Scotland for one reason: money.

You feel that its the best thing for Scotland. Fortunately most if us realise that it won't.

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Original post by DOM Alpha Badboy

Bad thing for England, good thing for Scotland outside of some orange bigots from Glasgow.

At 53% supporting the union, there must be an awful lot of orange bigots in Glasgow.

(From a catholic from Edinburgh. Care to try and offend anybody else who disagrees with your minority viewpoint?)

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hj.Foster

The rest of Britain would be buggered, Scotland holds a lot of Labour voters. As much as I hate Labour, I do not want the Tories to have an advantage.

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DOM Alpha Badboy

Original post by MatureStudent36

At 53% supporting the union, there must be an awful lot of orange bigots in Glasgow.

(From a catholic from Edinburgh. Care to try and offend anybody else who disagrees with your minority viewpoint?)

Maturestudent, lib and midlander. You guys seem to be spamming the thread. Insecure are we?

I don't listen to the results of biased polls done by 1,000 or so Scottish people. I'll wait till the result comes out, thanks.

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Original post by Choo.choo

Actually, the polls did, inaccurately, predict Labour to win the Scottish election in 2011. The SNP won a landslide.

You are right that governments often make poor decisions, if that is what you are implying here. I do not think the Scottish Government will make the same decisions as a Westminster Government. Scotland badly needs investment, as I have already said.

That sounds like the UK Government you are describing. They spend at least £100billion more than it takes in tax, creating a deficit. Scotland has a deficit of something like £7billion. You don't think that independence would enable the Scottish Government to close that gap?

Child poverty is an example of the damage that the UK Government are doing. Why on earth do we have foodbanks in a rich country like Scotland. Scotland, if outside the UK, would be 6th on the OECD. As part of the UK, it goes down to 17. Ridiculous. Independence all the way.

The opinion polls didn't predict anything of the sort.

Everywhere requires investment. But so far the SNPs neverendum has created an investment where investment is unlikely due to uncertainty.

Be careful of banding around SNP financial numbers. They're normally inaccurate and fail to take into account many factors. You're OECD numbers were identified to be flawed many months ago. They came from an SNP press release.

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Original post by DOM Alpha Badboy

Maturestudent, lib and midlander. You guys seem to be spamming the thread. Insecure are we?

I don't listen to the results of biased polls done by 1,000 or so Scottish people. I'll wait till the result comes out, thanks.

Glad to hear you'll
Wait until the results come in?

Hopefully you'll then realise that the rubbish your spouting isn't the general concesus.

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Good bloke

Original post by DOM Alpha Badboy

I don't listen to the results of biased polls done by 1,000 or so Scottish people. I'll wait till the result comes out, thanks.

These biased polls presumably include the ones conducted on behalf of the SNP, and which unanimously predict a victory for the No campaign.

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Good bloke

Original post by Choo.choo

Why do you continually taunt the SNP for the length of the referendum, yet you do not criticise the no camp for not producing a White Paper on the no side? We are still waiting to hear from Labour about more devolution. Isn't it funny how it takes the possibility of home rule for Scotland, for Labour to produce more devolution?

A vote for No isn't a vote for more devolution. More devolution isn't an option being offered. If you want more power in Scotland vote Yes. A No vote is a vote for the status quo. No white paper is needed for the status quo.

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Midlander

Original post by DOM Alpha Badboy

Did I say England was tantamount to the rest of the UK?

You say it'd be a bad thing for England but not Wales and Northern Ireland.

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Midlander

Original post by hj.Foster

The rest of Britain would be buggered, Scotland holds a lot of Labour voters. As much as I hate Labour, I do not want the Tories to have an advantage.

Labour has not needed Scotland to get in in the majority of its election victories. If England votes for a Labour majority then that is what the UK gets as the number of seats there dwarfs the other constituents.

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L i b

Original post by Choo.choo

Actually, the polls did, inaccurately, predict Labour to win the Scottish election in 2011. The SNP won a landslide.

Teaddict has adequately dealt with this.

You are right that governments often make poor decisions, if that is what you are implying here. I do not think the Scottish Government will make the same decisions as a Westminster Government. Scotland badly needs investment, as I have already said.

No, I'm saying that you have in no way evidenced 'austerity'. This is because there is none and the UK is, in point of fact, spending far too much.

That sounds like the UK Government you are describing. They spend at least £100billion more than it takes in tax, creating a deficit. Scotland has a deficit of something like £7billion. You don't think that independence would enable the Scottish Government to close that gap?

No, I think it would enable them to hugely inflate that gap. To quote the IFS "it is worth noting, however, that the majority of policies so far mooted by the current SNP government for after independence would cost, rather than save, money".

I think that figure would be enormously increased through a combination of poor planning, a lack of analysis of the costs of independence taking place and poor economic decisions by the SNP administration.

Child poverty is an example of the damage that the UK Government are doing. Why on earth do we have foodbanks in a rich country like Scotland. Scotland, if outside the UK, would be 6th on the OECD. As part of the UK, it goes down to 17. Ridiculous. Independence all the way.

I'm not sure what part of this you don't understand. I've just told you child poverty decreased by 20,000 in Scotland last year. There's less of it.

Sixth what on the OCED? Based on what figures? If you're going to try and use those diddled SNP figures to make a point about GDP you should probably note that (1) Scotland's GDP now will not be its GDP in the future; (2) GDP is a poor measure of national wealth and (3) the figures used by the SNP are not remotely reliable.

So, no, it's not remotely ridiculous.

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