Cant get into UK medical/dental schools? Got bad a level grades? Buy a degree!

Social skills are important but academics are also, if not more. My point is, a UK medical or dental student had to go through 10000 hoops to get in, including academics. They should not lose foundation places to EU grads.

They are allowed to practise in the country. I think this is the general feeling amongst UK dental/medical students though, UK grads shouldn't lose places to EU grads. It would be a complete waste of taxpayer's money (150k per student)

No I'm pretty sure the private med schools don't have gmc accreditation and the bma is completely opposed to them. So they can't work here. Don't know where they'd stand if they took the plab though?

If EU grads were thoroughly assessed for competency in UK medicine (which is potentially very different to medicine elsewhere e.g. the countries that don't really examine patients any more), then it doesn't matter where they are from or what grades they had before.

Big 'if' though. Anecdotally doctors from overseas struggle far more on the foundation program than UK grads, and you've got the pretty dire performance of EEA grads in postgraduate exams, substantially below even the poorest performing UK med schools.

I am generally very pro-europe but this does seem to be an area where compatibility and comparability seems to be an issue. Perhaps this is a NIMBY complaint about dem immigrants taking our jobs though... hard to know if i'm being objective.

A lot of the UK medical schools aren't listed, why?

Couldn't get data for the newer ones i guess. Do you mean to suggest that maybe they do worse than Europe? Maybe, but its definitely not going to drop the average: EEA grads do terribly in UK exams.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't the pass grades much higher in those EU schools compared to UK ones? Someone I know studies abroad, I heard it was 60-70% just for a pass depending on the institution, whereas all UK ones are 50%. May be wrong. On the whole I agree with the principle of giving UK grads priority though, good that the GDC operates that way and it should be the same for medicine

Getting 60-70% in one exam might be a lot easier than getting 50% in another o I dont think thats a fair comparison.
I know for a fact the drop out rates at Eu universities are insanely high whilst at UK medicine & dentistry drop out rate is 1-2%

Just because they aren't as book smart doesn't mean they won't make good doctors.

Is the curriculum really going to be any easier though? If the GMC/GDC accept EU grads for UK jobs, then surely the material covered must be comparable and equally rigourous to that of a UK university

Erm, it kinda does. Of course academic ability isn't the only important factor for medics, but there is a reason we go through five years of exams to be called 'Dr.' and then a further year before being GMC certified.

BBB doesn't mean that you're stupid. Those are decent grades.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't the pass grades much higher in those EU schools compared to UK ones? Someone I know studies abroad, I heard it was 60-70% just for a pass depending on the institution, whereas all UK ones are 50%. May be wrong. On the whole I agree with the principle of giving UK grads priority though, good that the GDC operates that way and it should be the same for medicine

A doctor or dentist has to be intelligent and determined, getting AAA is hardly a big ask. Do you know how difficult these two degrees are both academically and practically? If a dentist misses that someone may have oral cancer or your GP doesn't refer them to a specialist when you have cancer, the patient may die unnecessarily. The dentist could be a 25 year old.

Oh yes, doesn't matter if my doctor or dentist is incompetent, as long as they have a good personality I dont care
idiot.

If costs are subsidised alongside, I'm all for it.

Frankly I'd be more concerned about the rise of private medical schools within the UK - Bucks starts this September and Aston is trying to follow. UK grads have a minor advantage over EU grads in understanding the UK system when it comes to getting a good SJT score and therefore do better at getting foundation jobs - private UK grads will be on the same footing as other UK grads in this respect but will have paid their way in.