The Liverpool FC Thread XII

Original post by manchesterunited15

Up until the decision, we were fine and well on course to win. Afterwards, we looked completely different and went on to lose. I think it's reasonable to assume that had the decision not been made, we would've continued in the manner we had been and won the game. We wouldn't have switched to the way we actually played after the decision for no reason whatsoever.

meh, ifs and buts i guess

bad refereeing decisions happen all the time
fair enough that momentum changes but you still actually condeded the goals
you still made the errors or had the defensive deficiencies to let the other team score 5 times, even if one or two were dubious

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So Instinct

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Original post by Mackay

Days like this that I long for the glory days of Reina, Finnan, Carragher, Hyppia and Riise.

Torres + Gerrard at AM though :moon:

I actually miss Gerrards cracking shots a lot even to this day. You were always on your toes when the ball was rolling towards him on the edge of the box.

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samir12

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Original post by manchesterunited15

It's 2 goals out of nowhere they would have needed. I'm not saying the defence aren't to blame but the ref is too.

No, only one out of nowhere goal was needed as the penalty goal (which could count as a goal out of nowhere, no one saw it coming) clearly shifted the momentum in Leicesters favour along with shocking defending that allowed them to score another 3 goals.

Yh, ref can be blamed but most of the blame should go on the defence.

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manchesterunited15

Original post by samir12

No, only one out of nowhere goal was needed as the penalty goal (which could count as a goal out of nowhere, no one saw it coming) clearly shifted the momentum in Leicesters favour along with shocking defending that allowed them to score another 3 goals.

Yh, ref can be blamed but most of the blame should go on the defence.

I think it was more the injustice that shifted the momentum tbh, but who knows.

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samir12

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Original post by manchesterunited15

I think it was more the injustice that shifted the momentum tbh, but who knows.

When gap in the scoreline is closed, the team losing will always feel they can get something from the game and will get motivated to try and get another. In Leicesters case, the penalty closed the gap to 3-2 and there was still 30 minutes, you can bet your ass that they would be motivated to get something from the game, especially when you play at home.

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manchesterunited15

Original post by samir12

When gap in the scoreline is closed, the team losing will always feel they can get something from the game and will get motivated to try and get another. In Leicesters case, the penalty closed the gap to 3-2 and there was still 30 minutes, you can bet your ass that they would be motivated to get something from the game, especially when you play at home.

But a complete collapse like we had isn't a normal reaction to conceding a goal. It's a special case that arose from the way we conceded. Also the goal out of nowhere that may or may not have happened would have been later so there would've been less than 30 minutes.

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Lúcio

Original post by samir12

When gap in the scoreline is closed, the team losing will always feel they can get something from the game and will get motivated to try and get another. In Leicesters case, the penalty closed the gap to 3-2 and there was still 30 minutes, you can bet your ass that they would be motivated to get something from the game, especially when you play at home.

Original post by manchesterunited15

But a complete collapse like we had isn't a normal reaction to conceding a goal. It's a special case that arose from the way we conceded. Also the goal out of nowhere that may or may not have happened would have been later so there would've been less than 30 minutes.

listen, the referee had a shocker - it was a clear foul on rafael and a nothing penalty
however at the top level, at manchester united, there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for such a crumble, such a lack of organisation when LEICESTER CITY score a goal against you.

yeah it wasn't at all just but you're still winning 3-2.
screw the momentum change, you are manchester united against leicester city - if you can be 3-1 up and lose 5-3 to a promoted side you have no justification to defend those players.

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Original post by manchesterunited15

So will Terry. He's been doing well recently so I don't see why he'd be dropped

You don't see why Demichelis will be dropped right?

Mangala has pace and strength, Demichelis will be done by the end of this season lets be honest. Chelsea's pace hurts teams and City will be smart to stop them that way.

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Zerforax

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I guess Arsenal were the big winners this weekend.

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Original post by Zerforax

I guess Arsenal were the big winners this weekend.

Tbh Arsenal have had just as hard a fixture list as Chelsea atm so if we're 4 points ahead they're going to struggle to get ahead of us. So far we're both unbeaten.

no not you loserpool i mean the prides of london Chelsea and Arsenal. We'll be sure to rectify the situation when they go to fortress stamford tho.

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Original post by manchesterunited15

Lol what? A team that was 3-1 up with 30 minutes when the game was changed by a wrong decision was never going to win the game?

Original post by manchesterunited15

Up until the decision, we were fine and well on course to win. Afterwards, we looked completely different and went on to lose. I think it's reasonable to assume that had the decision not been made, we would've continued in the manner we had been and won the game. We wouldn't have switched to the way we actually played after the decision for no reason whatsoever.

MU shut the **** up already stop blaming the ref Leicester did a 4 goal comeback spin it any way you want but that's ****ing **** regardless.

Why hasn't Van Gaal been sacked yet since Moyes was doing better.

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Original post by samba

I'd take Markovic. He's a better prospect than Januzaj. That said the bs from Jam about him fitting in right away and rocketing off to a perfect start was never gonna happen. He's a year or two away from the first team. I'd probably take both Origi and Moreno too, especially for those prices.

What happened to Moreno is a dodgy fullback?

Anyway Markovic has barely started at all. Same with Emre Can. Looking at it Liverpool need to gel, he can't just draft all the new signings in one game, look how that worked out against Aston Villa. When they gel then Markovic can get a run of games. Him and Sterling flanking Sturridge/Balotelli allows for good rotation. I think Markovic will still hit it off this season, but you won't see the best of him yet.

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Gob Bluth

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Original post by jam278

What happened to Moreno is a dodgy fullback?

Anyway Markovic has barely started at all. Same with Emre Can. Looking at it Liverpool need to gel, he can't just draft all the new signings in one game, look how that worked out against Aston Villa. When they gel then Markovic can get a run of games. Him and Sterling flanking Sturridge/Balotelli allows for good rotation. I think Markovic will still hit it off this season, but you won't see the best of him yet.

As i see it Liverpool have sme of the hottest young talents around in the likes of Moreno, Markovic, Can. The problem for Liverpool they are still a lot of potential currently, and paying a lot of money on potential rather than proven talent is currently backfiring.

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Original post by Gob Bluth

As i see it Liverpool have sme of the hottest young talents around in the likes of Moreno, Markovic, Can. The problem for Liverpool they are still a lot of potential currently, and paying a lot of money on potential rather than proven talent is currently backfiring.

Well look how paying a lot of money for proven talent is working out for United?

Liverpool are a team that need to gel and once they gel it's going to be tough to stop them. Moreno is a top quality fullback. So fast.

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Deshi

Original post by Gob Bluth

As i see it Liverpool have sme of the hottest young talents around in the likes of Moreno, Markovic, Can. The problem for Liverpool they are still a lot of potential currently, and paying a lot of money on potential rather than proven talent is currently backfiring.

Yes it is and a part of me hates it. We bring players in, make them world class and they **** off to better teams and then it all just starts again. In this day and age it seems absolutely pointless nurturing young talent unless you're Barca/Madrid/Bayern/Chelsea etc beause everyone has ambitions and unless you're one of those teams you're never good enough

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Hold My Liquor

The truth, Deshi, is that the only way you can keep players off those clubs is money and trophies.

And we're going through a bad few weeks right now, but Rodgers is dat guy still.

None of our players will be at threat next summer anyway.

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Hold My Liquor

Original post by So Instinct

Mangala looks so good ffs. If we just bought someone like that instead of Southamptons finest we'd be in a better position.

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Lovren cost 20, Mangala cost a reported 30+ but with shady payments taking it upto 40+, not really in the same ball park.

Anyway we have our Mangala, only Brendan seems incapable of making a good player out of Sakho.

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Original post by Hold My Liquor

The truth, Deshi, is that the only way you can keep players off those clubs is money and trophies.

And we're going through a bad few weeks right now, but Rodgers is dat guy still.

None of our players will be at threat next summer anyway.

Yeah, don't see anybody going in for your players next season. Unless you win CL or something but you lot seem ok for now.

What do you think Brendans plans are, what type of team does he want to build? You can see the philosophy(lel philosophy) that Brendan wants to play but are these his plans or will he change?

nice to see that we're being put in the category of Bayern atm.

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Isambard Kingdom Brunel