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Champagne Socialism

I want everyone to watch this video and watch what happens when Russell Brand is asked how much his rent costs.

[video="youtube;lmlZWYvXMUo"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlZWYvXMUo[/video]

It is sad that people are being fooled by another wave of con men. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last. Doesn't matter if your a genuine Socialist or Capitalist. This is what both sides are going to have to deal with.

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Reply 1
You...you have actually made a thread I agree with. What is going on?

But seriously, Brand is a hideous, hideous liar who turned to regurgitating A-level Sociology essays in an attempt to stay relevant and 'edgy'.
Capitalism is a Marxist word, stop using capitalism. Start using free trade.
Brand has somehow apparently become the voice of the anti-establishment anti-capitalist movement.

I'm sure his heart is in the right place, but he's quite simply not knowledgeable enough to take on that mantle. He has no legitimacy beyond his fame and he admits that he knows nothing about economics and has an aversion to graphs and statistics that contradict his arguments.

I don't think he's the messiah some portray him to be.
Original post by Arkasia
You...you have actually made a thread I agree with. What is going on?

But seriously, Brand is a hideous, hideous liar who turned to regurgitating A-level Sociology essays in an attempt to stay relevant and 'edgy'.


I'm not the Authoritarian Socialist you think I am. Capitalism has given people the best quality of life on this planet. The problem is that people who practice influence have turned Capitalism into Crony Capitalism which can be expressed as Socialism for the rich or Corporate Socialism.

Ideologically I am a Libertarian Socialist. I respect people individual freedoms but I would rather see a more equal society where humans can reach their potential. That requires us to give up some of our wealth for a functioning society.

I personally believe complete Socialism will not work. I favor a system called Georgism which Karl Marx totally opposed.

Put it this way if Karl Marx or Lenin where alive today I would be sent to the gulag very fast. Why? Because Georgism has the potential of turning the whole world into a utopia where we don't need supreme Governments. Georgism can only work with Capitalism. It doesnt work with Socialism.

I think Marx was jealous.

I say tax the land, tax the earth and tax resources. Labour should not be taxed.
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Can I have a source for this? I want to share it on Facebook/Twitter.

Also, 'I believe in a free society where people's property is taken from them and redistributed regardless of their own desires' - no contradiction there at all?
Reply 6
If you want to see true champagne socialism look no further than the Labour Party- party of the working class- Ha nice try
I don't give a **** that he's rich.

The fact that he's an idiot, a tosser and an advocate of "hurr durr the rich and the bankers and the politicians want to enslave us all burn their houses but don't actually do anything useful like vote" politics is the issue.
Original post by tengentoppa
Brand has somehow apparently become the voice of the anti-establishment anti-capitalist movement.

I'm sure his heart is in the right place, but he's quite simply not knowledgeable enough to take on that mantle. He has no legitimacy beyond his fame and he admits that he knows nothing about economics and has an aversion to graphs and statistics that contradict his arguments.

I don't think he's the messiah some portray him to be.


If you where initiated like myself, Russell Brand and various others you would realize what Russell Brand is doing. I can spot Free Masons where ever I hear them because I am part of a masonic family. Of course I have never said the vows but I don't intend to. I'm not a egotistical narcissist or an idiot. I won't upset any Masons here because being a part of a lodge is a matter or respect for a higher order of things but I'll tell you what Russell Brand is up too.

For the past few years Russell has been forced to give up his playboy lifestyle and the deaths of his friends like Pear Geldof who got involved in the Cult OTO have sharpened him up. Russell has got involved with David Icke and has gone down a path of conspiracy. And then he found himself at the heart of the Socialist revolution. Basically Russell nothing but a useless idiot for other useless idiots to crowd round him and expose their selves. But here is the big thing .........................................

Russell is like a provocator inside a big movement. If you attack him it automatically shows your a threat to this corporate socialism which is making its way into the free market.
Original post by tomfailinghelp
Can I have a source for this? I want to share it on Facebook/Twitter.

Also, 'I believe in a free society where people's property is taken from them and redistributed regardless of their own desires' - no contradiction there at all?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlZWYvXMUo

sure but thats is exactly what russell wants. dont make to much noise else his lemmings will identify you.
Original post by The Juan
If you want to see true champagne socialism look no further than the Labour Party- party of the working class- Ha nice try


I agree. But Labour are loosing power because ppl are sick of the rubbish.
Reply 11
Original post by illegaltobepoor
I agree. But Labour are loosing power because ppl are sick of the rubbish.


UKIP is the true party of the working class. They stick up for the ordinary Briton.
Original post by The Juan
UKIP is the true party of the working class. They stick up for the ordinary Briton.


answer this question what kind of party tells a disabled person they cant stand as a candidate?
The majority of the people in the comments think Brand owned him? What? What?
Original post by Emil Cioran
The majority of the people in the comments think Brand owned him? What? What?


because majority of people are idiots. politics is about influence. if you assume majority of people in this country have a fully aware brain you need educating properly.
Reply 15
Original post by illegaltobepoor
answer this question what kind of party tells a disabled person they cant stand as a candidate?

What kind of person relies on the guardian for all their info? It's funny how you hate on UKIP when your precious lib/lab/con have been linked to those paedophiles rings in the 80s and 90s but obviously that surpassed your mind because they are all saints aren't they :rolleyes:

Out of UKIPs 40,000 members less than 30 have been publicly ousted as being racist, homophobic, discriminative and sexist. Now when you look at the other 3 they have had more members sent to prison LMFAO each than UKIP members have been found guilty of such accusations.

Funny how before UKIP make political ground you would not hear a thing. Now the papers are tirelessly working every day to criticise them. Grow up and smell the coffee fool.
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Original post by The Juan
What kind of person relies on the guardian for all their info? It's funny how you hate on UKIP when your precious lib/lab/con have been linked to those paedophiles rings in the 80s and 90s but obviously that surpassed your mind because they are all saints aren't they :rolleyes:

Out of UKIPs 40,000 members less than 30 have been publicly ousted as being racist, homophobic, discriminative and sexist. Now when you look at the other 3 they have had more members sent to prison LMFAO each than UKIP members have been found guilty of such accusations.

You are too idiotic to see that the establishment is supported by 99% of the media. Funny how before UKIP make political ground you would not hear a thing. Now the papers are tirelessly working every day to criticise them. Grow up and smell the coffee fool.


But lets just clear a few things up.

1. I am not a activist of Lib/Lab/Con. I am a Socialist. This means I campaign for genuine Socialist movements.
2. 80% of the media is right-wing. I get my information directly from social media, youtube and the alternative media.
3. I smell the coffee everyday. I am a functional computer programmer who enjoys many different types of Java.

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As a Disabled person I will tell you this. UKIP do not represent Disabled people. The majority of Disability organisations do not trust UKIP. Disabled people are now a organized voting block just like Pensioners. So UKIP do not represent the majority of workers. They represent a minority of workers. If UKIP get a majority of MP's in the general election you can come out with that claim but for now you are a minority.

You have 2 MPs. UKIP have a tiny influence. Like a mouse squeaking British Jobs for British workers.
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Original post by The Juan
UKIP is the true party of the working class. They stick up for the ordinary Briton.


Uhh how can that be true when UKIP is one of the most right wing parties in the UK?

I've always seen straight through Russel Brand. It's funny how he's so anti-politician, yet his response in the OP's video is the most politician-like response he could have possibly given. He didn't answer the question and tried to shift the topic onto something else. The fact of the matter is he knows there's a contradiction in his seemingly Marxist-style logic with him owning or renting a very expensive house. That's why he tries to shift the topic, and that's why he lets the woman start piping up to the interviewer at the end of the video so that the attention is taken off him.
Original post by illegaltobepoor
But lets just clear a few things up.

1. I am not a activist of Lib/Lab/Con. I am a Socialist. This means I campaign for genuine Socialist movements.
2. 80% of the media is right-wing. I get my information directly from social media, youtube and the alternative media.
3. I smell the coffee everyday. I am a functional computer programmer who enjoys many different types of Java.

...............................................

As a Disabled person I will tell you this. UKIP do not represent Disabled people. The majority of Disability organisations do not trust UKIP. Disabled people are now a organized voting block just like Pensioners. So UKIP do not represent the majority of workers. They represent a minority of workers. If UKIP get a majority of MP's in the general election you can come out with that claim but for now you are a minority.

You have 2 MPs. UKIP have a tiny influence. Like a mouse squeaking British Jobs for British workers.


Load of Rubbish. I am disabled, I will vote for UKIP. My disability isn't the basis for my existence like many disabled people seem to submit to it as their be all and end all. I hate the government because it made me disabled.
Original post by Reluire
Uhh how can that be true when UKIP is one of the most right wing parties in the UK?

I've always seen straight through Russel Brand. It's funny how he's so anti-politician, yet his response in the OP's video is the most politician-like response he could have possibly given. He didn't answer the question and tried to shift the topic onto something else. The fact of the matter is he knows there's a contradiction in his seemingly Marxist-style logic with him owning or renting a very expensive house. That's why he tries to shift the topic, and that's why he lets the woman start piping up to the interviewer at the end of the video so that the attention is taken off him.


You make the mistake of thinking freedom from government doesn't help the working class, went in reality nothing helps the working class more than freedom.

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