64% of TSR want to remain in the EU... share your vote

Original post by ~Cerridwen~

Really undecided on this. Went to a debate between an 'in' MP and an 'out' and still sitting on the fence. I was convinced that leaving the EU would probably help Britains economy, trade and innovation, but as someone who wants to study in Europe for a year or so, personally it would be better for me if we stayed in. It's difficult because no one is giving straight facts as to what would be affected.
Posted from TSR Mobile

It's pretty much established that Britain would be worse off economically (unless they abolished the NHS and the welfare state.

Reply 288

username1148663

Original post by Davij038

It's pretty much established that Britain would be worse off economically (unless they abolished the NHS and the welfare state.

That hasn't been established at all.

All you know is the ******** long term predictions will be wrong on both sides.

The can't predict 3 months ahead never mind 14 years. Osbourne and the BOE haven't got one prediction correct since the conservatives came to government in 2010

Posted from TSR Mobile

Reply 289

Jammy Duel

Original post by Davij038

It's pretty much established that Britain would be worse off economically (unless they abolished the NHS and the welfare state.

You mean you trust long term economic modelling when even shirt term ones make astrology look respectable?

And popular opinion is against you on this one, and actually aggregated group though tends to be fairly accurate

Posted from TSR Mobile

Reply 290

plstudent

2

Original post by ~Cerridwen~

Really undecided on this. Went to a debate between an 'in' MP and an 'out' and still sitting on the fence. I was convinced that leaving the EU would probably help Britains economy, trade and innovation, but as someone who wants to study in Europe for a year or so, personally it would be better for me if we stayed in. It's difficult because no one is giving straight facts as to what would be affected.

Posted from TSR Mobile

If you are voting to REMAIN, do it because you genuinely believe in the European project and are happy with its direction and with the migration situation in the UK. That is what you will have for certain if you vote to remain.

In your particular case, the chances of you not being able to study in Europe because of Brexit are about 0 (zero). Norwegian, Swiss and students from everywhere in the world study now in the UK, Switzerland and every other European country. Very few European countries try to keep students away (if any), and they will certainly not begin with British students.

Don't fall for the scaremongering from the globalists and the big money on the REMAIN side. I can easily show studies that EU migration is a loss too, and nobody really knows what will happen on the economic front. There is always uncertainty there.

However, what is certain is that EU law will remain supreme, that more EU regulations will come, that the UK will keep sending millions to Brussels, that the EU will keep expanding and that the UK will not be able to control large part of its new laws and new migrants, with a potential for a big increase from Turkish, Ukrainian and Albanian accession. Those are certainties.

Scaremongering has been done elsewhere. It has been used for pushing the Euro in Great Britain, and few argue today that the UK would be better off in the Eurozone.

[video="youtube;i-UbT0g9A8c"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-UbT0g9A8c[/video]

You will lose your jobs
You will become irrelevant in the global arena
The EU will treat you worse than Osama Bin Laden

Sound familiar?

The question should not be "have we gone too far to change our mind?", but rather "would we want to join the EU as it is today?"

(edited 7 years ago)

Reply 291

The line of the Brexiters is that these people are the same people that failed to predict the financial crash and wanted to join the Euro.

Mark Carney (BoE)) is credited with harbouring Canada as the worlds most successful central banker during the crash. Vince Cable predicted the Crash. Gordon Brown vetoed is taking on the Euro. All credible economists and economic institutions predict immediate short term hit to our economy perhaps leading to a recession

EU expansion has been curtailed for the next five years- And Turkey txt going to join - they don't want to and they wouldn't be accepted even if they did meet all the requirements (since 1975 they've met 3/20)

Reply 292

Original post by paul514

That hasn't been established at all.

All you know is the ******** long term predictions will be wrong on both sides.

The can't predict 3 months ahead never mind 14 years. Osbourne and the BOE haven't got one prediction correct since the conservatives came to government in 2010
Posted from TSR Mobile

That's like becoming a creationist because Charles Darwin didn't get everything right...

Reply 293

username1148663

Original post by Davij038

That's like becoming a creationist because Charles Darwin didn't get everything right...

Is it?

It's a matter of fact not one of their predictions have been correct

Posted from TSR Mobile

Reply 294

Original post by paul514

Is it?

It's a matter of fact not one of their predictions have been correct
Posted from TSR Mobile

Carney rightly predicted a number of trends during the financial crisis as Canada's governor that steered Canada out of recession. What has he done outside of linking Brexit with economic instability that causes you to doubt his ability or what he has to say?

Reply 295

username1148663