The Arsenal Thread XXV
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So when Gazidis promised us top quality signings he basically meant we're replacing Alexis with Lacazette and Mahrez/Lemar.
Original post by SA-1
Yeah that's exclusive to us.
I was on about the downwards trajectory thing that you guys have had for the last two decades.
I was on about the downwards trajectory thing that you guys have had for the last two decades.
I wouldn't go that far, Liverpool have consistently been a midtable club whereas atleast you guys have been finishing in the top 4 consistently and have won a few FA cups. One season out of the top 4 isn't exactly that bad and not enough of a sign that you are in a decline but it's more really the stagnation which is the frustrating thing and the unwillingness for your board to do anything about it.
If you finish next season out of the top 4 and don't win the EL, that would be very worrying.
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Original post by Stalin
So when Gazidis promised us top quality signings he basically meant we're replacing Alexis with Lacazette and Mahrez/Lemar.
Total ****ing joke of a club now. I am not watching next season. Same old ****.
If we get Lacazette, Mbappe and Lemar or Mahrez... then Alexis can **** off. You can't question the clubs ambition if we are actually bidding £125 million on a single player. Besides, Alexis will soon be over the hill. Giroud as well will be so good with Lacazette/Mbappe. But mostly, make Arsenal black and French again.
We seem very serious about the Mbappe offer, to give him credit, Wenger is taking no ******** and is going big.
I guess the worst thing about this situation is that it is not a DDG to Real Madrid situation. You would understand if it was Real Madrid. But this is Man City.. Totally different class, it would be humiliating but we have to appreciate that the club is trying to do all it can if it really is trying to sign Mbappe, Lemar, Mahrez.
We seem very serious about the Mbappe offer, to give him credit, Wenger is taking no ******** and is going big.
I guess the worst thing about this situation is that it is not a DDG to Real Madrid situation. You would understand if it was Real Madrid. But this is Man City.. Totally different class, it would be humiliating but we have to appreciate that the club is trying to do all it can if it really is trying to sign Mbappe, Lemar, Mahrez.
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Alexis is going no where
I can see Alexis running his contract down.
Next summer he'll be almost 30yrs old and hasn't had a break in years due to Copa America, World Cup, Confed etc. He'll command huge wages as a free agent, but you can't help but wonder how long he can go on for. Giving him a 4 year contract on 300k pw might not be a wise move.
Said for months Ozil will renew due to lack of alternative options
Next summer he'll be almost 30yrs old and hasn't had a break in years due to Copa America, World Cup, Confed etc. He'll command huge wages as a free agent, but you can't help but wonder how long he can go on for. Giving him a 4 year contract on 300k pw might not be a wise move.
Said for months Ozil will renew due to lack of alternative options
Original post by sr90
I can see Alexis running his contract down.
Next summer he'll be almost 30yrs old and hasn't had a break in years due to Copa America, World Cup, Confed etc. He'll command huge wages as a free agent, but you can't help but wonder how long he can go on for. Giving him a 4 year contract on 300k pw might not be a wise move.
Said for months Ozil will renew due to lack of alternative options
Next summer he'll be almost 30yrs old and hasn't had a break in years due to Copa America, World Cup, Confed etc. He'll command huge wages as a free agent, but you can't help but wonder how long he can go on for. Giving him a 4 year contract on 300k pw might not be a wise move.
Said for months Ozil will renew due to lack of alternative options
Exactly. I really don't care about Sanchez if (big if) we get replacements which make us a better team overall. I just don't want us to sell him to City. Although, I do get the impression that after 1-2 seasons the guy is going to be benched anyway so that would be funny.
Also, Ozil I think will be not as affected when he ages due to his style of play. I would not be paying 300k a week for him though. However, a replacement will end up more expensive anyway so it is worth renewing just for that.
I really hope we get Mbappe and Mahrez/Lemar as at least it will actually demonstrate ambition. Sanchez is not bigger than the club. Not in a million years. If our transfer plans work then we are somewhat resembling the Arsenal of old.
Kola is also a very exciting looking player. Ox for me is a RWB, not good enough to be an Arsenal CM. If he wants to go to Liverpool to sit on the bench then he can go do that. He's very replaceable.
I have the same dream as Wenger, French Arsenal... the old way. Many of our recent purchases have a physical side. Also think that with the new signings, Giroud can stay. Would be madness if we basically have a French NT frontline.
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Original post by James.Carnell
I have the same dream as Wenger, French Arsenal... the old way. Many of our recent purchases have a physical side. Also think that with the new signings, Giroud can stay. Would be madness if we basically have a French NT frontline.
Giroud can stay and be useful off the bench whereas Welbeck can join the long list of overpaid English players who aren't much use at Arsenal but won't go anywhere else due to wages. See Jenkinson, Wilshere, Walcott & Gibbs.
Still Campbell Perez Debuchy and Szczesny/Ospina to get rid of too.
Oxlade Chamberlain strikes me as someone who cares more about living in London than playing football, so he'll renew.
Original post by sr90
Giroud can stay and be useful off the bench whereas Welbeck can join the long list of overpaid English players who aren't much use at Arsenal but won't go anywhere else due to wages. See Jenkinson, Wilshere, Walcott & Gibbs.
Still Campbell Perez Debuchy and Szczesny/Ospina to get rid of too.
Oxlade Chamberlain strikes me as someone who cares more about living in London than playing football, so he'll renew.
Still Campbell Perez Debuchy and Szczesny/Ospina to get rid of too.
Oxlade Chamberlain strikes me as someone who cares more about living in London than playing football, so he'll renew.
They are so far off the level we need to be at. Compare them to French equivalents like Sidibe and Serge Aurier. Worlds apart right now.
Ox somehow sees himself as a CM when he is more a RWB. He plays very well at RWB and should just accept he will never be an Arsenal CM. Even at RB he will be behind Bellerin. At Liverpool he will definitely be benched.
Original post by James.Carnell
They are so far off the level we need to be at. Compare them to French equivalents like Sidibe and Serge Aurier. Worlds apart right now.
Ox somehow sees himself as a CM when he is more a RWB. He plays very well at RWB and should just accept he will never be an Arsenal CM. Even at RB he will be behind Bellerin. At Liverpool he will definitely be benched.
Ox somehow sees himself as a CM when he is more a RWB. He plays very well at RWB and should just accept he will never be an Arsenal CM. Even at RB he will be behind Bellerin. At Liverpool he will definitely be benched.
James Milner moved to Liverpool to play CM. Look how that worked out.
Seems every club has unwanted English players that are too expensive for anyone else. Hart, Delph, Rooney, Young, Sturridge as well as that lot i've just mentioned... Lingard will be in that category very soon too. Why would you pay £15m for say, Kieron Gibbs, when you can find a player just as good in the Bundesliga for half the price?
Original post by sr90
James Milner moved to Liverpool to play CM. Look how that worked out.
Seems every club has unwanted English players that are too expensive for anyone else. Hart, Delph, Rooney, Young, Sturridge as well as that lot i've just mentioned... Lingard will be in that category very soon too. Why would you pay £15m for say, Kieron Gibbs, when you can find a player just as good in the Bundesliga for half the price?
Seems every club has unwanted English players that are too expensive for anyone else. Hart, Delph, Rooney, Young, Sturridge as well as that lot i've just mentioned... Lingard will be in that category very soon too. Why would you pay £15m for say, Kieron Gibbs, when you can find a player just as good in the Bundesliga for half the price?
Chelsea are actually quite good in this area. Tend to have young english players who have the chance to develop to a top player(see Loftus Cheek, Chalobah, Abraham) rather than have a guy like Walcott who's never leaving because it's clear that their ceiling is being a rotation player at a club like Arsenal. Cahill is a first team player for now anyway and most clubs in the league would buy him.
Original post by SA-1
If Alexis leaves, Lacazette will mean **** all. Any signing will pretty much mean **** all.
We'll see a proven world class player leave.. we'll replace him with another top quality player (not Lacazette)..
But how would we have improved? If anything we'd have gone backwards.
Joke of a club.
Alexis goes city and they're unstoppable.
We'll see a proven world class player leave.. we'll replace him with another top quality player (not Lacazette)..
But how would we have improved? If anything we'd have gone backwards.
Joke of a club.
Alexis goes city and they're unstoppable.
Exactly what happened to us when we lost Suarez - it doesn't matter who you sign because losing a player of that quality is always gonna break you apart...
You might convince Sanchez to stay for another year but absolutely cannot see him staying any longer unless you win the Premier League.
Original post by bammy jastard 27
Chelsea are actually quite good in this area. Tend to have young english players who have the chance to develop to a top player(see Loftus Cheek, Chalobah, Abraham) rather than have a guy like Walcott who's never leaving because it's clear that their ceiling is being a rotation player at a club like Arsenal. Cahill is a first team player for now anyway and most clubs in the league would buy him.
From a purely business perspective, it's hard to fault a model that sees them get £130m from selling players who were never in the first team squad within a few months. Getting Terry's wages off the books will make a big difference too. It would be nice if some of them got used more often but that's another issue entirely.
Think Chelsea are usually more careful with who they buy too. Every other top 6 club is burdened with unwanted players on huge wages but you hardly ever see that happen at Chelsea. I suppose they have Winston Bogarde to thank for that.
Original post by sr90
From a purely business perspective, it's hard to fault a model that sees them get £130m from selling players who were never in the first team squad within a few months. Getting Terry's wages off the books will make a big difference too. It would be nice if some of them got used more often but that's another issue entirely.
Think Chelsea are usually more careful with who they buy too. Every other top 6 club is burdened with unwanted players on huge wages but you hardly ever see that happen at Chelsea. I suppose they have Winston Bogarde to thank for that.
Think Chelsea are usually more careful with who they buy too. Every other top 6 club is burdened with unwanted players on huge wages but you hardly ever see that happen at Chelsea. I suppose they have Winston Bogarde to thank for that.
The model of only giving over 30s 1 year contracts is very effective. We also just loan out most of our young players and only give the good ones bumper contracts. Arsenal have a more socialist wage structure which avoids the highest earner earning a lot of money(because it'll bump other players wages up) but the likes of ox/gibbs/walcott are on high wages despite not actually being that good.
The second a player clearly isnt good enough to make the first team they're loaned out to gain form or sold. Its a very good business model. One that most clubs with money should adopt. Abramovich is a billionaire for a reason.
United are bumping up wages simply to stay relevant due to the bad seasons they've had post saf. Eventually when they're successful they'll spend less(see real madrids spending since ancelotti won the cl compared to 2009-14).
A lot of reports saying we're getting Mahrez. A great deal if true. He's a class act.
I'd be concerned if Mahrez was your "big name" - Arsenal will have a hard time anyway because they can't match United wages last year, but time to sign a big name from some of the other solid clubs around Europe. Tie up Lacazette, other shouts could be someone like Douglas Costa, Matuidi or Bender. Hell, what about Gotze.
Or pick someone obscure, like Michael Antonio or Moise Kean
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Lol at the mentions of Antonio and Moise Kean(a 16 year old striker who doesn't get gametime at Juve). Maybe you could get lucky and have a Coman but likelyhood is that you're going to need a few seasons with the guy which Wenger doesn't have.
Douglas Costa what has he actually achieved? He's a good player but considering Mahrez has PL experience and has shown that he's a gamechanger in the premier league I don't see why Douglas Costa is really needed. Other than the fact he plays for Bayern, there is little to no difference between buying either player. Eitherway they're better than Walcott and Chamberlain.
Bender's been injured the whole season and the other Bender plays at CB now and has been injured most of last season too.
Matuidi would be good(but doubt Arsenal would get him) and so would Mahrez/Costa though.
Douglas Costa what has he actually achieved? He's a good player but considering Mahrez has PL experience and has shown that he's a gamechanger in the premier league I don't see why Douglas Costa is really needed. Other than the fact he plays for Bayern, there is little to no difference between buying either player. Eitherway they're better than Walcott and Chamberlain.
Bender's been injured the whole season and the other Bender plays at CB now and has been injured most of last season too.
Matuidi would be good(but doubt Arsenal would get him) and so would Mahrez/Costa though.
How are you man signing Blacazette the machete
Original post by Kenan and Kel
How are you man signing Blacazette the machete
He's a very good striker. Much better than Giroud and I think if Sanchez stays Ozil will have fun providing assists to them.
What is the reason of Giroud starting ahead of Lacazette for France?
Original post by SGHD26716
He's a very good striker. Much better than Giroud and I think if Sanchez stays Ozil will have fun providing assists to them.
What is the reason of Giroud starting ahead of Lacazette for France?
What is the reason of Giroud starting ahead of Lacazette for France?
Cause Giroud comes to play and is good for balance - he brings the best out of midfield runners and gives crossing wingers/full-backs a strong option
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