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    (Original post by ZizAli)
    Forgive me for expecting good behaviour from processionals many youngsters will idolise. There was the peacemaker incident, the cabbie bust up and the sleeping with the lap dancer while being in a relationship of his girlfriend of 3 years. Also I have a few friends who know some of the Arsenal youngsters including Jack who have told me a few stories as well as recordings on their phones. Wilshire is no angel but that frustrates me, he looks shy, innocent and humble with immense ability. I want him to grow to be a character like Xavi but this blip in his personal life I personally find irritating. I know most people don't give a monkeys what a player does in his personal life so long as they play well but I'm not like that.
    You seem to forget that 95% of footballers are dicks.
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    (Original post by antonfigo)
    You seem to forget that 95% of footballers are dicks.
    It's a shame but it's true. In this country anyway.
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    How do you know Xavi is a saint?
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    (Original post by Overmars)
    :toofunny:

    A 19 year old who has been at the club since he was 9 was the most impressive midfielder on a pitch containing Xavi and Iniesta...but you ingeniously found a way to dig up some irrelevant rubbish to conclude you are very disappointed with him. Kudos. Full marks for creativity and desperation.
    There are some senses in which determining the contributions of a footballer is subjective. But using any objective criteria possible, Xavi was streets ahead of Wilshere.
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    (Original post by porn induced coma)
    There are some senses in which determining the contributions of a footballer is subjective. But using any objective criteria possible, Xavi was streets ahead of Wilshere.
    No.
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    How many of Xavi's passes were actually more than 5 metres away from him?

    And how many of Wilshere's were pinged out to the wings?

    Exactly.

    Speaking of which, Koscielny seems to be pretty useful at that kind of pass too. :yy:
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    Oh man I'm so happy we managed the result. Wilshere's performance was just immense... he looked technically superior (or at least equal) to Xavi and Iniesta... Guardiola said that all our play goes through Cesc and Nasri but I think he was underestimating just how good Wilshere is.

    I thought Koscielny was really excellent, too.
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    I'm sure Xavi did play some excellent passes -- there's nobody better than him in the world at doing that. But given that Song was largely ineffective after he got his yellow booking and Fabregas was clearly not as his best, Wilshere was the only one that was trying to drive the team forward. It's not about making the final ball or how many passes you make, it's about the overall influence you have on the game. There were some flashes of genius -- I remember one in particular when he was getting the ball back from Arshavin in a very congested area, and with a drop of the shoulder he was away from Xavi, played a one-two with Van Persie and had a shot on goal....it doesn't sound like much reading it back, but to have the awareness and ability to turn away in that position was brilliant (it was a few mins before Van Persie scored iirc). Solid in the first half but his second half he was oustanding, there's no doubt about it. Nobody's suggesting he is the finished article and definitely needs to improve in some areas (his finishing, mainly) but the fact that pretty much everyone -- Arsenal fans or not -- were very impressed is no mystery.

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    Arshavin dedicates his goal to Jesus himself :rofl:

    I'm so glad my pessimism was ill founded, I bloody skipped to uni this morning.
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    (Original post by porn induced coma)
    There are some senses in which determining the contributions of a footballer is subjective. But using any objective criteria possible, Xavi was streets ahead of Wilshere.
    cmon this is the arsenal forum, your wasting your breath :rolleyes: (figuratively of course)
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    (Original post by voodoomagic)


    Arshavin dedicates his goal to Jesus himself :rofl:

    I'm so glad my pessimism was ill founded, I bloody skipped to uni this morning.
    Can't stop smiling, people are getting worried :rofl:
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    (Original post by In2deep)
    Can't stop smiling, people are getting worried :rofl:
    Such a composed finish by Arshavin, like he used to pull off all the time. The ITV commentator (Tysley or Champion, they merge into one) described it as a 'Barcelona goal', clearly hasn't watched Arsenal play all that much in the last decade..
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    Szczesny, Clichy-Djourou-Koscielny-Eboue, Fabregas-Song-Wilshere, Nasri-RVP-Walcott collectively: £34m.

    Valdes, Maxwell-Pique-Abidal-Alves, Biscuits-Iniesta-Xavi, Pedro- Messi- Villa Collectively: £70 million

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    (Original post by Hantheman)
    Szczesny, Clichy-Djourou-Koscielny-Eboue, Fabregas-Song-Wilshere, Nasri-RVP-Walcott collectively: £34m.

    Valdes, Maxwell-Pique-Abidal-Alves, Biscuits-Iniesta-Xavi, Pedro- Messi- Villa Collectively: £70 million

    Not much point being all smug when 8 of those players came through their academy for no transfer fee, including our captain..
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    (Original post by In2deep)
    Can't stop smiling, people are getting worried :rofl:
    The key to that goal was Wilshere's first-time pass to Fabregas.

    Otherwise we wouldn't have had a chance of scoring.
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    (Original post by voodoomagic)
    Not much point being all smug when 8 of those players came through their academy for no transfer fee, including our captain..
    But 5 of ours were academy (or essentially academy) as well!
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    (Original post by voodoomagic)
    Not much point being all smug when 8 of those players came through their academy for no transfer fee, including our captain..
    It's called a joke. You should try one one day.
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    Pat Rice :adore:
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    (Original post by marcusmerehay)
    The key to that goal was Wilshere's first-time pass to Fabregas.

    Otherwise we wouldn't have had a chance of scoring.
    The Spanish have also seemed to notice Wilshere :teehee:

    This article cracked me up; "The Playstation [either messi or the Barcelona style of play] Does not Work In London" :rofl2:
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    (Original post by marcusmerehay)
    But 5 of ours were academy (or essentially academy) as well!
    I know, and Arsene's ability to bring through young talent on the cheap in recent years has been excellent but not superior to La Masia. Barca have made expensive mistakes in the transfer market in the past few seasons but that lineup doesn't represent any of it (though I do have no idea how much they spent on Adriano and what value for money he represents).
 
 
 
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