Gaza, Westbank & Israel

Orthodox Jews do serve in the IDF; only a few small sects don't serve.



A panel of Israeli rabbis recently ruled that these Ethiopians are legitimate Jews, which is why they have been allowed to move to Israel in large numbers.

If a non-orthodox Jew studies the Torah at university, presumably they won't have to serve either.

Why were they considered illegitimate in the first place? Accepted thier beliefs were not mainstream however, dont you feel that it may of have been something more sinister in terms of creed and racial lines given inherent zionist tendancies?

Also the fact that Palestinians are by far outnumbering Israelis could have swayed the rabbis in their thoughts when legitimizing these jews.

There are one million Arabs and five million Jews in Israel.

Anywho, it looks like neither of us knows the specifics of this, but what is certain, is that most orthodox Jews do serve in the military, and that Israel considers the preservation of Judaism important enough to exempt those who study it from military service.

I should have been more precise. The ratio of Palestinians to the occupiers is increasing in favour of the Palestians.

The jews are just not gettin jiggy any more!

The more religiuls the people, the more children they tend to have. And arabs seem to be all very religious while Israel is full of atheists and not so religiuos people, but if the religiuos keep having so many children, they will outnumber them sometime...

False. Some orthodox sects opposed the existence of Israel back then and still do. The separation between Zionists and non-Zionists isn't as neast as Progressives versus Orthodox.

Some people won't be satisfied until all the Jews are driven into the sea (as is the official position of the PLO and Hamas).

We have all seen on the news how Israeli forces are removing settlers and settlements in the Gaza strip. One may find it easy to applaud Sharon's administration for such actions and steps towards reconciliation however, one must avoid being so easily mislead by this terrorist.

While settlements in Gaza are being removed what is going to happen in the West Bank? We will begin to see an increasing amount of radical jews (zionists) migrating to the West Bank and the creation of more illegal settlements on Palestinian land. The West Bank is of much greater interest to the Isrealis, both spiritually and politically and a stronger zionist presence in this volatile area is part of Sharons longer term plan. In the long run the only thing i can envisage is greater hardship for the Palestinians. The current pull out i feel is no moe than a publicity stunt to win over the international community.

I'm not applauding Sharon. I think the man is a traitor and an utter disgrace. He should be doing the exact opposite of what he is doing IMO; extending Israel's grip on Gaza and building more settlements.

which as i have mentioned many times before (and you forget everytime) they aquired through deceptive corrupt underhand methods. it wasn't their land to sell.
Just like the land being bought by chav british families in turkish cyprus often isn't the turkish cypriots to sell

Which methods are these and did this invalidate the legality of the acquisition?

I think it was towards the end of the ottoman empire - very late 19th century that a new bill was enacted requiring land to be registered by its owners. THe idea was actually fair enough - the government wanted to consolidate and file land deeds. Unfortunately there were many unscopulous business men who registered massive swathes of land (with appropriate kick backs for officals no doubt) despite the land being occupied by palestinian farmers, villages etc. They then sold them on to the early zionists.

This itself is quite well documented, the question is whether this invalidates the claim. Not legal wise no doubt it doesn't - simply because the people who sold the land made up the laws to make it accepting. But morally there is no question that these people were taken advantage of massively.

If someone burgles me and steals my VCR, selling it on for £20 to my neighbour, then both are in the wrong - morally and legally. That's my outlook with turkish cyprus, and israel.

[And yes i KNOW many israelis already had land there, and bought it fair and square. am just pointing out that huge amounts of aquisitions were EXTREMELY underhand and had questionable moral and legal status]

I'm not applauding Sharon. I think the man is a traitor and an utter disgrace. He should be doing the exact opposite of what he is doing IMO; extending Israel's grip on Gaza and building more settlements.

If these businessmen registered the land, then the deeds were registed in their name. The 'Zionists' were then right to acquire land from those that held the deeds to the land. Unfortunate that this wasnt necessarily those people who were resident on the land, but this is far from claiming that Jewish settlers stole land, which is precisely what Bismarck replied to.

just because they didn't get their hands dirty, doens't mean they are clean.
they knew full well what had happened - they had to physically evict the people from their newly bought land.

Its comments like that which fuel furhter hatred towards jews, not just zionsit scum. Carry on mate, i am sure if people continued spoting such bull 5hit the middle eastern will improve.

idiot



MAG BAR ISRAEL

So you are admitting you already have hatred towards the Jews then?
(Oh and btw, he's not Jewish.)

Zionist scum? So because some people want to have a Jewish State, it means they are scum?

idiot

would you like to enlighten me on what your last line means?

SHALOM AL YISRAEL.

Aurash over here tells me that Mag Bar Israel means death to/destruction of Israel.