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I really reaaly need help on the planning exercise for the denaturation of egg albumen from copper(ii)sulphate,
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Do a practical of the experiment using a range of concentrations of copper sulphate solution(by adding distilled water), adding them to a drop of the albumen in turn and observe how long it takes for the albumen to fully denature,

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Lauren this is Dr Donnelly
This is cheating
you're a good student lauren but don't force me to take further action























hehe its not really its claire and harri xxx
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LOL
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i dont actually think most bio teachers wud class this as cheating......might get mine to come on here.......
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Hi all. this egg jobby, we have been pointed in the direction of the colourimeter how about u guys? wot tips have u been given coz i really need some help here. lol. thanx, *Stu*
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I think that the calorimetery thingy is the best thing 2 use. Apart from I think it wud b a gud idea to titrate the copper sulphate with the egg albumen. That way u wont hav to make up all of the diffrent concentrations and you will find the exact least number of moles which will be required to denature the fried egg.
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o my banana! how does that work exactly?! i can do titrations, but wont the albumen get stuck in the pipettes and burettes cos its so gloopy?! i broke a plastic syringe the other day by trying to suck up a lump of egg white, and nearly killed myself in the process so god help glass ware a xXx
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hehe

my biology teacher actually told me about this site!!
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colorimeters dont work for this one - the precipitate distributes itself unevenly in the solution so a colorimeter can't get an accurate reading
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hehe

my biology teacher actually told me about this site!!
whats he calleed ?
mine too
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colorimeters dont work for this one - the precipitate distributes itself unevenly in the solution so a colorimeter can't get an accurate reading
Then blend it before putting it in the colorimeter.
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U can't blend it coz dat defeats da whole point of trying 2 find how much light gets through da solution. You want to leave the ppt at da bottom so that u can measure light going through the remaining solution (the copper sulphate which hasn't been used up in the reaction with the protein, presuming there is total denaturation). Hope this helps, Sam.
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mine's called Dr Ford at LRGS


you don't get a nice powdery precipitate when you carry out this experiment, so you can't just wait for the precipitate to settle. I suppose you could filter the remaining solution and calculate the mass of copper sulphate left after the reaction.

honestly its a lot easier to use a qualitative method and just find the concentration of copper sulphate at which a tube full of albumen becomes completely opaque (ie you cant see a shape on a piece of paper behind it)
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oh and how do you blend about 5ml of solution?
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the best thing to do is logarithmic dilution - u start with 0.1 mol dm-3, and you add 1 part copper sulphate solution for 9 parts water. this gives you 0.01. to get to 0.001, add another 10 parts water, 0.0001 another 10 parts etc.

a good tip is to set up a control with distilled water and the albumen, so you can see what the egg albumen should look like when it is not denatured (also gives you bonus marks in the marking scheme)
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btw a colouromiter is not such a good idea, and titrations are used for neutralisation reactions, so thats out too.....
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I really reaaly need help on the planning exercise for the denaturation of egg albumen from copper(ii)sulphate,
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instead of using a colourimeter, could you use a light detector which would then tell you how much light has been absorbed by the precipitate? Then you could find out the % denaturation couldn't you? (Provided that the test tube containing the albumen and copper sulphate has black paper around it)
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what measurements is anybody usin? im thinkin of 2mls of each
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