Thoughts on current debate, stunning or Jewish, Islamic methods of slaughter?

some 'halal' meat in this country is stunned (actually quite a lot of it is), whereas no koasher meat is stunned

I know the methods are different, but kosher meat is permissible for all muslims to eat, that's what halal means, it means "permissible". So technically even if the Qur'anic slaughter method was outlawed, then we can still eat kosher meat. But this would close all Muslim businesses selling meat and rake in money for the Jewish slaughter houses. And also, we want to follow the Qur'an, not the Torah in accordance with Muhammad not Moses, that's why it's important that Muslims retain their way of slaughter. But as for permissibility, we are allowed to eat both, they are both halal.

Proper halal meat is not supposed to be stunned.

Anyone who advocates these barbaric methods of slaughtering animals should be made to go to a slaughterhouse with a knife and slit the throat of the cow/chicken/sheep they want to eat themselves and see just how holy it feels to see it writhe in pain for the better part of a minute.

And if they can go through with this and then say it's OK to slaughter in this way then I'd just be lost for words as to the kind of human they are.

Actually, in terms of permissibility, you are allowed to eat any form of meat, assuming no Halal meat was available.

which is why I said 'halal'

A lot of meat in this country is stunned and most muslims dont know about it.

They can be stunned, as long as the animal does not die from the stunning. The Qur'an is detailed and specific:

5/3. Forbidden to you are: the dead animals (animals slaughtered after death), blood, the flesh of swine, and the meat of that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah, or has been slaughtered for idols or on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns - and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal - unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death)...

Actually, in terms of permissibility, you are allowed to eat any form of meat, assuming no Halal meat was available.

The Jewish Kosher method is far better than the Halal method

depends what you mean by 'dead animals' Stunning can actually make animals brain dead, though their blood and circulatory sytems may still function during slaughter.

In reality how sure can you be that every animal that is being halaled has been done properly - and that evey drop of blood has been removed, that wasnt 'dead' when the slaughter had started - what do you think the farmer would chuck all these animals away. No he thorws them in with the rest because you wouldnt know the difference. If it is so imprtant to you to eat halal, you should witness each and every piece of meat you eat being killed.

If I ate meat I'd probably prefer the animal to be killed through stunning or whatever causes them to suffer least. I think a bigger issue is how the animal is treated when it's alive to be honest.

If they are brain dead then they are not classed as dead animals. As long as they are not totally dead, then it can be slaughtered.

And no, Allah does not require us to see each and every killing lol. In fact, when some of the companions of the Prophet obtained meat from the Christians, they were not sure as to whether it was halal or not and so the prophet told them, "pronounce the name of Allah over it and eat it".

Exactly. People make such a fuss about how it's killed but disregard how it's treated in life! With both kosher and halal meat, you're meant to let the animals roam ie: they should be "free range" and not battery farmed. As if 2 minutes of dying at the end is comparable to the treatment of animals when they are battery farmed in life

Oh and 90% of halal meat is stunned
http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application/pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1109267162636&ssbinary=true

So, there's little difference between halal and "regular" meat considering that most of them are stunned, halal meat has a prayer over it and for meat to be deemed halal, then when the animal was alive then they must have been able to roam the fields etc....

mhmm if your fussy about them having food prepared in a special way you should also be fussy about the fact hindus don't eat beef

And no, Allah does not require us to see each and every killing lol. In fact, when some of the companions of the Prophet obtained meat from the Christians, they were not sure as to whether it was halal or not and so the prophet told them, "pronounce the name of Allah over it and eat it".

Actually, I follow the opinion that if there is no halal meat available in a certain country then a Muslim would have to go veggie lol Unless there is no food at all except non-Halal meat in which case obviously we have to eat that meat to survive. There are two big schools of thought that allow all meat ( bar pork etc. and other animals that forbidden in totality) on Christian lands such as the UK. The general rule is that when a Christian or Jew provides meat for a Muslim to eat, we don't have to ask any questions such as how was it killed? etc. They are automatically permissible unless they openly advertise the fact that the meat has not been slaughtered correctly.

Sorry, just to clarify further. Any animal from the sea is allowed unconditionally, regardless of how it was killed or who killed it. Sea food has no restrictions at all so when we discuss "halal meat" we are only referring to land-based animals. All animals that live in water is automatically permissible no questions asked.

Sorry, just to clarify further. Any animal from the sea is allowed unconditionally, regardless of how it was killed or who killed it. Sea food has no restrictions at all so when we discuss "halal meat" we are only referring to land-based animals. All animals that live in water is automatically permissible no questions asked.