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Reply 9040
Original post by FinalMH
Unfortunately, the user who you're quoting is completely 100% sure they are keeping the pound, so no use arguing (debating) with him. This user in particular concerning this issue is like arguing with someone who believes the world is flat.


Another Unionist lying on here, trying to misrepresent my position. Same ol, same ol.

Find one instance on here where I've said I am completely sure Scotland will keep the pound.

So please, do spare me your pathetic condescending attitude!
Scotland will be keeping the pound....

Spoiler

I've just seen this on FB. It demonstrates exactly why I bloody hate nationalists. Their obsession with re-writing our history:
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Thanks London? It wasn't London who cleared the Highlands, it was Scottish landowners!

Is this what an independent Scotland would be like; Re-writing it's own history so we can all pretend to be superior to the English, Welsh and Northern Irish?
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Original post by Boab
Another Unionist lying on here, trying to misrepresent my position. Same ol, same ol.

Find one instance on here where I've said I am completely sure Scotland will keep the pound.

So please, do spare me your pathetic condescending attitude!


I think you'll find he was talking about Maths Tutor.
Original post by flugelr
I've just seen this on FB. It demonstrates exactly why I bloody hate nationalists. Their obsession with re-writing our history:
1604733_10203625952227307_7763417730196785592_n.jpg

Thanks London? It wasn't London who cleared the Highlands, it was Scottish landowners!

Is this what an independent Scotland would be like; Re-writing it's own history so we can all pretend to be superior to the English, Welsh and Northern Irish?


Scotland contributes more history per head than RUK. It also contributes more complaints per head than it receives and so must gain independence to afford a higher horse from which to complain further.


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Original post by flugelr
I've just seen this on FB. It demonstrates exactly why I bloody hate nationalists. Their obsession with re-writing our history:
1604733_10203625952227307_7763417730196785592_n.jpg

Thanks London? It wasn't London who cleared the Highlands, it was Scottish landowners!

Is this what an independent Scotland would be like; Re-writing it's own history so we can all pretend to be superior to the English, Welsh and Northern Irish?


Yep. Apparently Scottish Infantry regiments weren't a ticket involved in those bad days of empire.

Have you not realised yet that you're average YeSNP supporter is some ideologically driven socialist with little grasp of history or economics.
Reply 9046
Original post by MatureStudent36
I think you'll find he was talking about Maths Tutor.


Given he was replying to Flugelr who had been quoting me, I doubt that!
Original post by MatureStudent36
Yep. Apparently Scottish Infantry regiments weren't a ticket involved in those bad days of empire.

Have you not realised yet that you're average YeSNP supporter is some ideologically driven socialist with little grasp of history or economics.


Indeed. We'll just ignore that Glasgow was the 'jewel of the Empire', that slaves flowed via Dundee and that Scots ejected their own off their land. Much easier to blame it on Engl-sorry, Lond-sorry again, Westminster.


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Original post by Boab
Yeah, and this is why I hate Unionists...

There is a wee bit of a difference between slagging off a politician and this obsession that we see daily in Scotland of borderline racist nationalists trying to re-write our history
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Reply 9049
Original post by flugelr
There is a wee bit of a difference between slagging off a politician and this obsession that we see daily in Scotland of borderline racist nationalists trying to re-write our history
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Frankie Boyle? You serious?

There are misinformed idiots on both sides. Picking out random comments from them and being offended by them is fairly pathetic.
Original post by Boab
Frankie Boyle? You serious?

There are misinformed idiots on both sides. Picking out random comments from them and being offended by them is fairly pathetic.


So we'll see the SNP go through the motions of distancing themselves from them, whilst simultaneously supporting them.

Remember the retired General who got targeted.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10679203/General-accuses-SNP-minister-of-endangering-his-family-after-Cybernat-attack.html


Or the threats against Academics.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10445073/SNP-ministers-waging-dangerous-campaign-to-gag-university-academics.html
I support Scottish independence (as somebody from England) for two main reasons.

1) Democracy
There has been only 1 Tory MP in the whole of Scotland since the 1990s, yet Scotland has found itself being ruled by a Tory government in a small place called Westminster. The Scottish did NOT vote for this coalition government, so why on earth should they be subject to their policies? Thatcher privatised the Scottish industries, utility companies, despite the fact that the Scots did NOT vote for Thatcher. Scotland, as a huge landmass with a very distinct culture and population, should surely be able to have some say about who's in the government?

2) Escaping austerity
Austerity is failed ideological agenda that is forced upon Scotland. The only way to escape the unemployment, the welfare cuts and the array of other immoral policies is through independence - Alex Salmond is a respected social democrat and strong supporter of free universities, the welfare state and safeguards for the poorest in society.
Original post by JamesGibson
I support Scottish independence (as somebody from England) for two main reasons.

1) Democracy
There has been only 1 Tory MP in the whole of Scotland since the 1990s, yet Scotland has found itself being ruled by a Tory government in a small place called Westminster. The Scottish did NOT vote for this coalition government, so why on earth should they be subject to their policies? Thatcher privatised the Scottish industries, utility companies, despite the fact that the Scots did NOT vote for Thatcher. Scotland, as a huge landmass with a very distinct culture and population, should surely be able to have some say about who's in the government?

2) Escaping austerity
Austerity is failed ideological agenda that is forced upon Scotland. The only way to escape the unemployment, the welfare cuts and the array of other immoral policies is through independence - Alex Salmond is a respected social democrat and strong supporter of free universities, the welfare state and safeguards for the poorest in society.


I think it's missed you by that we actually have a coalition Government at the moment. You've missed the 11 Lib Dem MPs that got voted in. That's 12 MPs out of 59. There were 41 MPs elected that are labour and only 6 who were from the SNP. The SNP therefore only got 10% of the Vote in the general election.

More Scots voted for Thatcher than have ever voted for Salmond.

I'm a little confused how you expect us to escape austerity by following out uncosted policies that will leave us financially worse off?

Alex Salmond is far from a social democrat. Under his leadership, Scotland has become a frighteningly centralist society with power being removed from the councils and relocated in Edinburgh. those who raise concerns are targeted.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/academics-hit-back-snp-bid-2786622

http://m.scotsman.com/news/business-leaders-muzzled-by-referendum-threat-1-3390128
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Original post by Boab
Frankie Boyle? You serious?

Why wouldn't I be?

Original post by Boab
There are misinformed idiots on both sides. Picking out random comments from them and being offended by them is fairly pathetic.

There are misinformed idiots on both sides, but these are not random comments. All the time I'm seeing this kind of xenophobic rubbish being spouted by the Yes Campaign.

When you hear that someone has been harrassed or that someone's car or business has been vandalised, you can be 100% sure that the victim is pro-UK. The only people doing these things are nationalists. It is totally unacceptable yet we hear nothing from the Yes Campaign about it. In one of the articles I posted above, the official Yes response was to attempt to smear the poor bloke who was being harrassed!

Yes there are uninformed Unionists out there, but there is a much larger number of downright nasty nationalists.
Original post by flugelr
Why wouldn't I be?


There are misinformed idiots on both sides, but these are not random comments. All the time I'm seeing this kind of xenophobic rubbish being spouted by the Yes Campaign.

When you hear that someone has been harrassed or that someone's car or business has been vandalised, you can be 100% sure that the victim is pro-UK. The only people doing these things are nationalists. It is totally unacceptable yet we hear nothing from the Yes Campaign about it. In one of the articles I posted above, the official Yes response was to attempt to smear the poor bloke who was being harrassed!

Yes there are uninformed Unionists out there, but there is a much larger number of downright nasty nationalists.


If I remember rightly there was a FMQs last year where Ruth Davidson asked Alex Salmond to explain the quite hostile anti-English comments of some SNP party members and MSPs. He laughed it off and denied responsibility despite being party leader.

If we see fit to tarnish UKIP for bigoted comments made by party members then the SNP should not escape criticism either. If I can find the clip I will post it.


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Original post by Midlander
If I remember rightly there was a FMQs last year where Ruth Davidson asked Alex Salmond to explain the quite hostile anti-English comments of some SNP party members and MSPs. He laughed it off and denied responsibility despite being party leader.

If we see fit to tarnish UKIP for bigoted comments made by party members then the SNP should not escape criticism either. If I can find the clip I will post it.


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Can you also try and find the one with the SNP councillor advocating direct action to support the cause and the SNP activist who hit booted out for mocking the deaths of British soldiers.

There's quite a few about death threats against a comedians who tried to make joke about the referendum .
Reply 9057
Original post by JamesGibson
I support Scottish independence (as somebody from England) for two main reasons.

1) Democracy
There has been only 1 Tory MP in the whole of Scotland since the 1990s, yet Scotland has found itself being ruled by a Tory government in a small place called Westminster. The Scottish did NOT vote for this coalition government, so why on earth should they be subject to their policies? Thatcher privatised the Scottish industries, utility companies, despite the fact that the Scots did NOT vote for Thatcher. Scotland, as a huge landmass with a very distinct culture and population, should surely be able to have some say about who's in the government?

2) Escaping austerity
Austerity is failed ideological agenda that is forced upon Scotland. The only way to escape the unemployment, the welfare cuts and the array of other immoral policies is through independence - Alex Salmond is a respected social democrat and strong supporter of free universities, the welfare state and safeguards for the poorest in society.


The city of Nottingham didn't vote for this government. Neither did Sheffield. Or my home town of Worksop. Should they be independent also?

I'm no fan of austerity and will actively campaign and vote for this government to be removed from office in 2015. But it seems to me that part of living in a democracy means you have to respect it.


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Reply 9058
Original post by euphful
The city of Nottingham didn't vote for this government. Neither did Sheffield. Or my home town of Worksop. Should they be independent also?

I'm no fan of austerity and will actively campaign and vote for this government to be removed from office in 2015. But it seems to me that part of living in a democracy means you have to respect it.


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the difference is an individual cities not voting for a tory government is a bit different to a whole country not voting for it... like ever...

not that I would be against Nottingham going for independence, my own thought is the idea that one group of people can decide what's best for the other £60million people is ridiculous and that major decisions should be made at a much more local level. But that's the way the world is run I suppose :tongue:

I don't understand why people are so against Scotland deciding their own future. This 'Better Together' stuff is rubbish, much smaller countries seem to manage just fine.
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Original post by Hachik0
So Mr Salmond wants Scotland to leave the United Kingdom, but join the European Union. That is not independence.



Original post by Maths Tutor
No it isn't is it?

After all, Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland etc, etc, etc are not independent are they?



Original post by Aj12
Given the rise of anti eu parties quite a few people would argue they aren't fully independent whilst in the eu. Control of borders being the best example



ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE is arguing that Germany, France, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland etc, etc, etc are not independent.

Please give examples of some countries which are "fully independent".

The only country that I can think of that is close to being "fully independent" is North Korea.

For your information, the Yes camapaign is trying to achieve similar independent status for Scotland as Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, etc, etc, etc, not that of a "fully independent" North Korea.

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