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do you think the american government are a big bunch of power-hungry bully's?

Invaded 69 countries now since world war 2 !! for the greater good...apparently !
Original post by rizzl8
do you think the american government are a big bunch of power-hungry bully's?

Invaded 69 countries now since world war 2 !! for the greater good...apparently !


If you mean the private interest groups that dictate American policy.

Thennnnnnnnnn...... Yes

But that's not just America. They are however in the driving seat with no seatbelt and a ****ing massive cigar lit.
Reply 2
If "the American government" had been one person since the end of WW2, then maybe.


But seeing as a different one has been democratically elected every 4 years, with senate and congressional seats changing hands all the time, then labelling the government as one homogeneous blob is beyond childish and massively simplistic.
Original post by Drewski
If "the American government" had been one person since the end of WW2, then maybe.


But seeing as a different one has been democratically elected every 4 years, with senate and congressional seats changing hands all the time, then labelling the government as one homogeneous blob is beyond childish and massively simplistic.


It doesn't seem to matter who gets elected; it looks like a different head of the same dragon every time!
Original post by Drewski
If "the American government" had been one person since the end of WW2, then maybe.


But seeing as a different one has been democratically elected every 4 years, with senate and congressional seats changing hands all the time, then labelling the government as one homogeneous blob is beyond childish and massively simplistic.


That's the point. The fact that different administrations have presided over the same monstrous policies should prove that something is systematically very wrong.
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Considering America is the only country to have used nuclear weapons its extremely hypocritical for them to condemn and try to prevent other countries from having it
Original post by nawal
Considering America is the only country to have used nuclear weapons its extremely hypocritical for them to condemn and try to prevent other countries from having it


Yes!

Questions arise when you consider that Pakistan, a corrupt and fundamentalist state frequently committing human rights violations, and Israel, who are perpetually feudal with their neighbours, both have nuclear arsenals. They are both supported (in terms of aid, and diplomatically) by the US.

Iran, who have not invaded another sovereign nation for over 200 years (one exception being 2 small islands off the Persian gulf), are a threat to "stability" and "world peace", or so we are told.

Dubious to say the least.
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It's high time the American people put the second amendment to good use. The founding fathers are probably turning in their graves at the monster the US government has been allowed to become.
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Original post by AtlasCanTakeIt
If you mean the private interest groups that dictate American policy.

Thennnnnnnnnn...... Yes

But that's not just America. They are however in the driving seat with no seatbelt and a ****ing massive cigar lit.


hmm i would've thought the federal reserve has a huge bearing on the government.Generally the elite/ other oil rich countries would play their part.
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Reply 9
Different governments have responded to different events. Lets not forget the cold war had a huge effect on American foreign policy they did bot invade those countries for lulz


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In the last decades the Iraq and Afghanistan war have both carried on with different presidents, that proves that the military-industrial complex and neoliberal-capitalist chimera will rumble on no matter who is president. America for the last 60 years has been pursuing an imperial grand strategy with the intent to maintain at any cost capitalist hegemony. The brigandish gangster-like American government has overthrown several democratically-elected regimes and invaded several sovereign nations in all out offensive wars; their disgraceful actions in Korea were genocidal if not outright genocide; the US also aided genocide in Guatemala. America represents the greatest threat to global peace as they continually disrespect and violate other nation's sovereignty. America is also responsible for the growing threat of Wahhabi/Salafi militants by allying with Saudi Arabia, invading Libya, attacking Syria, and using the colonial state of Israel as a proxy for imperialism in the middle east.

The US is the biggest imperialist state since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
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Reply 11
Original post by PeasantAndWorker
In the last decades the Iraq and Afghanistan war have both carried on with different presidents, that proves that the military-industrial complex and neoliberal-capitalist chimera will rumble on no matter who is president. America for the last 60 years has been pursuing an imperial grand strategy with the intent to maintain at any cost capitalist hegemony. The brigandish gangster-like American government has overthrown several democratically-elected regimes and invaded several sovereign nations in all out offensive wars; their disgraceful actions in Korea were genocidal if not outright genocide; the US also aided genocide in Guatemala. America represents the greatest threat to global peace as they continually disrespect and violate other nation's sovereignty. America is also responsible for the growing threat of Wahhabi/Salafi militants by allying with Saudi Arabia, invading Libya, attacking Syria, and using the colonial state of Israel as a proxy for imperialism in the middle east.

The US is the biggest imperialist state since Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.



Iraq and Afghanistan being continued does not prove that at all. You can't just leave a state after it's been invaded with it's institutions destroyed, that will just lead to future problems as was proved with Afghanistan in the 90's. It was left to it's own devices after a proxy war and look what happened. A civil war with the eventual breach filled with terrorists.

What disgraceful actions in Korea are you referring to? You also don't seem to understand the definition of genocide.

Saudi Arabia is responsible for it's own actions. Though that'll shift as America becomes less reliant on Saudi oil moving eventually to energy independence. Israel a proxy for colonialism..... Really?

They got involved reluctantly in Libya, they had no interests at stake and had to be convinced to enter, had it anything to do with imperialism you'd find they would have supported Gaddafi not removed him. They have not attacked Syria.

You could have made this post a lot shorter and just posted I hate America and been done with it
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Original post by Aj12
You could have made this post a lot shorter and just posted I hate America and been done with it


In which case someone interested in scholarly debate would be right to ask "why?".

He explains why.

It's like you've tried to add a discreditable statement to the end of his post.

If someone criticises China, or Russia, or Fiji, do they 'hate' those countries? Why is it that when someone makes constructive criticism of US foreign policy, applying the same standards that they would to any other nation, they're accused of 'hatred'?
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Original post by AtlasCanTakeIt
In which case someone interested in scholarly debate would be right to ask "why?".

He explains why.

It's like you've tried to add a discreditable statement to the end of his post.

If someone criticises China, or Russia, or Fiji, do they 'hate' those countries? Why is it that when someone makes constructive criticism of US foreign policy, applying the same standards that they would to any other nation, they're accused of 'hatred'?


Calling the US the biggest imperialist state since Japan or Nazi Germany or calling US actions in Korea genocidal without any explanation tends to give off an impression that they aren't interested in scholarly debate or debate of any kind.
Original post by Aj12
Calling the US the biggest imperialist state since Japan or Nazi Germany or calling US actions in Korea genocidal without any explanation tends to give off an impression that they aren't interested in scholarly debate or debate of any kind.


You're selective about the examples he gave.

I'll be honest and state that I haven't personally heard anything about US involvement in Korea.

But Guatemala, yes. Panama, Nicaragua and Columbia all yes. Iran, yes. Vietnam, Laos, yes. Indonesia, Cambodia (scandalous this one), yes and yes.

There are many more. Dozens of proxy wars, counterrevolutions, assassinations etc. All for purposes of self interest. Saudis are sitting on oil and vast wealth, however they cooperate with the US, making vast amounts of money for the elites and giving little of it back to the general population. Arguably, they are the most fundamental Islamic state on the earth, and frequently fund terrorism around the globe. This cosy relationship should make you question the altruistic justifications often given to excuse US military infiltration and invasions.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”


Edit: By US involvement vis a vis Korea, I mean large scale contribution to genocide.
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Original post by rizzl8
do you think the american government are a big bunch of power-hungry bully's?

Invaded 69 countries now since world war 2 !! for the greater good...apparently !


I'm more concerned by eroding freedoms at home. They are power hungry alright.

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