England have always been bad at football , admit it!

England aren't an above average team? Lol that's ridiculous

Lool you're right. They're average.

Lol. There's 207 international teams. So the average is China or Iraq (103 and 104). You're right, we're the same level as them

Wooo is that how bad it is now? we're comparing ourselves to Iran and china? some fans never cease to amaze me.

We're talking about world cup/euro level. Not playing against teams that dont even care about football. Iran has political issues to focus on and China couldnt care less about football. England lives and breathes football yet they're awful. You'd see it if above average teams kept playing against us and beating us, e.g chile a few months ago, but no. The FA decides to set up friendlies with countries whose entire population could fit in wembley stadium, E.g Andorra. That gives people like you the impression that we stand a chance when nobody in the world considers sees us as the slightest threat. Its a joke.

You're so clueless you don't even know what average means. ****ing hell your entire post is awful. England aren't in the group of teams that are likely win a tournament, but we are easily top 30 in the world. Way, way above average.

You also can't read, I said Iraq.

Costa Rica lol. To be honest, qualifying from our group was always false hope.

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Exactly this.

But a false hope I'm proud to have

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You have got to be joking, Costa Rica are not better than England. England aren't as good as the media hype suggests but they are above costa Rica.

Still consistently top 8 in the world is it not? England are far from bad. They aren't going to win a tournament any time soon, but they are still a fairly good side. I don't get why fans can't just sit on a middle ground, why they have to see the side as either woeful or world beaters.

Italy just lost to Costa rica. Still havent accepted that England are the weakest team in the group by miles?

They aren't the weakest team in the group. They've had a poor couple of results, but they've performed very well. Costa Rica have played out of their skin, but in terms of the squads, Englands is far stronger.

They aren't the weakest team in the group. They've had a poor couple of results, but they've performed very well. Costa Rica have played out of their skin, but in terms of the squads, Englands is far stronger.

Is a squad better for having more individual talents to being able to play as a team and win? We have the individual talent but as a team, we're average, and that's pushing it.

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Did you see how good the team was? 9 players that would be called 'world class': Cole, Terry, Ferdinand, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Beckham, Owen, Rooney. Possibly even Neville. Quarter finals was the minimum he should have reached with that team.

Don't bother, he's one of those over the top pessimistic supporters. They're as bad as the ones claiming we were gonna win the whole thing.

They aren't the weakest team in the group. They've had a poor couple of results, but they've performed very well. Costa Rica have played out of their skin, but in terms of the squads, Englands is far stronger.

Better squad? doubt it. We have a few former world class players. Only about 4 players in that squad have played in the champions league. I have no idea what strong squad you guys are referring to honestly. Living in the past i tell you.

So what ?
You still need a manager who puts players in correct positions has good tactics
Look how thing failed at man u or cappello with his over intensive training

2002
Drew with Sweden
Beat Argentina
Beat Nigeria
Beat Denmark
Lost to Brazil

2004
Lost to France
Beat Swizerland
Beat Croatia
Lost on pens to Portugal

2006
Beat Paraguay
Beat Trinidad and Tobago
Drew with Sweden
Beat Ecuador
Lost on pens to Portugal

There's nothing special about that record. In general we beat the teams that we should, with a couple of draws thrown in, but lost as soon as we came up against a team near our level. Argentina being the only exception.

Just because he did better than Moyes and Capello doesn't mean he did well, he achieved the minimum he should have with that squad. If we'd have gone out before we did, ie to Ecuador in 06 or Denmark in 02, or in any of the groups, that would rightly be seen as a failure.

You can't be serious?

2nd and 5th top scorers in the PL. Top assister. Half of the best CB partnership. First choice keeper for the champions. 4 key members of one of the best attacking sides in PL history. Meanwhile Costa Rica's best player can't get into the Arsenal team...

They performed better than us, yes, but they don't have a better squad.