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SAT and A-levels

Hey everyone,

So I am facing a dilemma here. I am currently doing the A levels and my subjects are History, Eng Literature, Psychology and Geography. I am planning to do an undergraduate in History, and through the years Oxford has been my dream destination. However, during the last couple of months I've been thinking about going to the States more and more often. I am thinking of the Ivy League schools (Harvard, Yale, etc.) but found out that in order to apply I will need to take the SAT tests. The thing is that SAT includes Mathematics, and I am not doing Math A-levels! Doesnt that give students that did IB, AP or Math A-levels a privilege? Is taking SAT Subject tests an option? I can't seem to an answer to these questions anywhere. Thank you very much for all your help!
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Original post by Natalia A
Hey everyone,

So I am facing a dilemma here. I am currently doing the A levels and my subjects are History, Eng Literature, Psychology and Geography. I am planning to do an undergraduate in History, and through the years Oxford has been my dream destination. However, during the last couple of months I've been thinking about going to the States more and more often. I am thinking of the Ivy League schools (Harvard, Yale, etc.) but found out that in order to apply I will need to take the SAT tests. The thing is that SAT includes Mathematics, and I am not doing Math A-levels! I can't seem to an answer to this question anywhere. Thank you very much for all your help!


...there isn't a question there.
A number of universities in the states will accept your A-Levels in place of subject tests so your only exam would be the SAT I paper. Considering you're doing English and History you should be okay with the reading and writing sections but should practice these as much as possible. For the maths paper you will need private tuition. I don't think there is anyway around that, the maths section is practically impossible for anyone without A-Level maths so perhaps ask a maths teacher at your sixth-form to help with preparation. Other than that I'm sure there are tutors who specialise in teaching those who want to take the SATs so perhaps see if you can find one in your local area.

P.S I'm going to Oxford next month to do BA History so if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask :smile:
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Sorry, sleepless nights.. Edited :smile:
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Original post by colourtheory
A number of universities in the states will accept your A-Levels in place of subject tests so your only exam would be the SAT I paper. Considering you're doing English and History you should be okay with the reading and writing sections but should practice these as much as possible. For the maths paper you will need private tuition. I don't think there is anyway around that, the maths section is practically impossible for anyone without A-Level maths so perhaps ask a maths teacher at your sixth-form to help with preparation. Other than that I'm sure there are tutors who specialise in teaching those who want to take the SATs so perhaps see if you can find one in your local area.

P.S I'm going to Oxford next month to do BA History so if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask :smile:


Aghh that's so disappointing.. Maths is really not my thing. Looks like I will have to get a tutor!

Wow, really? Congratulations! Oxford is beautiful, you'll love it. Yes actually, what did you do for work experience? And how was the interview, did they ask you these unreasonable questions that every cries about? And finally, what was your A-level scores or did you do the equivalent? Thank you so much for your help!
Original post by Natalia A
Aghh that's so disappointing.. Maths is really not my thing. Looks like I will have to get a tutor!

Wow, really? Congratulations! Oxford is beautiful, you'll love it. Yes actually, what did you do for work experience? And how was the interview, did they ask you these unreasonable questions that every cries about? And finally, what was your A-level scores or did you do the equivalent? Thank you so much for your help!


Thanks! For work experience I worked on a history book and transcribed some oral history interviews :colondollar: No, my interviewers were really lovely and they asked me questions on my PS and the essay I submitted. In my second interview I was given an unseen source and had twenty minutes to privately look over it and make notes before I was asked questions about it in a formal interview. The second half of that interview involved expanding upon the topic of the source using information I had learnt at A-Level and I had to make connections between those themes with books I had recently read. It was intense but kind enjoyable. At AS I got AABC and at A2 I did History, History of Art, and English Literature and finished with A*A*A. And I did an EPQ which was graded as an A.
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Original post by colourtheory
Thanks! For work experience I worked on a history book and transcribed some oral history interviews :colondollar: No, my interviewers were really lovely and they asked me questions on my PS and the essay I submitted. In my second interview I was given an unseen source and had twenty minutes to privately look over it and make notes before I was asked questions about it in a formal interview. The second half of that interview involved expanding upon the topic of the source using information I had learnt at A-Level and I had to make connections between those themes with books I had recently read. It was intense but kind enjoyable. At AS I got AABC and at A2 I did History, History of Art, and English Literature and finished with A*A*A. And I did an EPQ which was graded as an A.


Okay, thank you so much again! I forgot to mention it in my first comment, how hard did you find the HAT Test? Also, what about the extra-curricular activities? I am doing 5 societies, MUN -( I'm the leader), Duke of Edinburgh Silver and Young Enterprise. Also, I'm going to do some volunteering and Student Council. Do you think that's enough? Apparently Oxbridge doesnt really care about these unless they are related to the subject your studying, is that true?
Original post by Natalia A
Okay, thank you so much again! I forgot to mention it in my first comment, how hard did you find the HAT Test? Also, what about the extra-curricular activities? I am doing 5 societies, MUN -( I'm the leader), Duke of Edinburgh Silver and Young Enterprise. Also, I'm going to do some volunteering and Student Council. Do you think that's enough? Apparently Oxbridge doesnt really care about these unless they are related to the subject your studying, is that true?


HAT is not too bad, it just requires loads of practice :smile:. Extra-curriclars are pretty irrelevant unless they are directly related to your degree, it's your passion for the subject which is important!
Original post by colourtheory
A number of universities in the states will accept your A-Levels in place of subject tests so your only exam would be the SAT I paper. Considering you're doing English and History you should be okay with the reading and writing sections but should practice these as much as possible. For the maths paper you will need private tuition. I don't think there is anyway around that, the maths section is practically impossible for anyone without A-Level maths so perhaps ask a maths teacher at your sixth-form to help with preparation. Other than that I'm sure there are tutors who specialise in teaching those who want to take the SATs so perhaps see if you can find one in your local area.

P.S I'm going to Oxford next month to do BA History so if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask :smile:


You need at least 3 subject tests regardless of a levels - thats why mericans do AP's :yep:

I'm self-teaching you must be very well-off if you can afford tuition for SATs
Original post by zyzz u mirin?
You need at least 3 subject tests regardless of a levels - thats why mericans do AP's :yep:

I'm self-teaching you must be very well-off if you can afford tuition for SATs


Some universities will take A-Levels in place of AP subject tests. It's best to check with all the universities because it could end up saving loads of time. You can self teach but it could just as easily hire a tutor. Apply to American universities is expensive, it's all part and parcel of making the decision to go abroad rather than stay in the UK.
Original post by colourtheory
Some universities will take A-Levels in place of AP subject tests. It's best to check with all the universities because it could end up saving loads of time. You can self teach but it could just as easily hire a tutor. Apply to American universities is expensive, it's all part and parcel of making the decision to go abroad rather than stay in the UK.


I spoke to Princeton and Harvard and they wanted min 3 subject tests as well as sat and a levels.

So I will do that, will probs do math level 1 too :smile:

You are right though, everything costs money!!
Original post by zyzz u mirin?
I spoke to Princeton and Harvard and they wanted min 3 subject tests as well as sat and a levels.

So I will do that, will probs do math level 1 too :smile:

You are right though, everything costs money!!


Really?! To be honest the reason I will never apply to an American university is that they make it nigh impossible for anyone who isn't American. They don't want people to go over to America and take their education back to their home country, essentially draining the US of resources. Notice how you have to take a whole slew of extra qualifications while both Cambridge and Oxford accept SATs, IBs, A-Levels, Scottish Highers, Welsh Baccalaureates etc. etc. English education is much more accessible and thus more diverse and multi-cultural.
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Hmmm. The Maths in the sat I (the really long general SAT) is around GCSE level (I recently sat it). The subject test maths is slightly harder. I've only looked at Maths II as opposed to I but it requires knowledge which isn't on the syllabus for GCSE or C1-2, most notably a small amount on the use of graphing calculators

As for harvard and subject tests, I thought entry from this year onwards the subject tests were optional?


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Original post by popo123
Hmmm. The Maths in the sat I (the really long general SAT) is around GCSE level (I recently sat it). The subject test maths is slightly harder. I've only looked at Maths II as opposed to I but it requires knowledge which isn't on the syllabus for GCSE or C1-2, most notably a small amount on the use of graphing calculators

As for harvard and subject tests, I thought entry from this year onwards the subject tests were optional?


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May I ask what you scored on the SAT, and what you used to help you prepare for the CR and writing section.

Also do you have any online resources plz :colondollar:
I'm sitting the SAT 1 in January and the majority of my practice has just been taking mock tests. You can find 3 of them by Collegeboard online -

OFFICIAL SAT PRACTICE TEST 2011-12
https://satonlinecourse.collegeboard.com/SR/digital_assets/assessment/pdf/F4D31AB0-66B4-CE32-00F7-F5405701F413-F.pdf
Scoring Instructions
https://satonlinecourse.collegeboard.com/SR/digital_assets/pdfs/eri/scoring_2011-2012.pdf

OFFICIAL SAT PRACTICE TEST 2010-11
https://satonlinecourse.collegeboard.com/SR/digital_assets/assessment/pdf/0833A611-0A43-10C2-0148-CC8C0087FB06-F.pdf
Scoring Instructions
https://satonlinecourse.collegeboard.com/SR/digital_assets/pdfs/eri/scoring_2010-2011.pdf
OFFICIAL SAT PRACTICE TEST 2007-08
http://www.collegeboard.com/prod_downloads/prof/counselors/tests/sat/2007-08_sat_preparation_booklet.pdf
as well as a few free third party ones.

The official guide is also really useful and contains practice questions, advice, and more practice tests
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0874478529?pc_redir=1409253170&robot_redir=1

The maths is only GCSE level in the SAT 1 really. And the majority of the top schools in the will require Subject Tests - the Collegeboard website has a wealth of free practice resources for these - http://sat.collegeboard.org/practice/sat-subject-test-preparation

Good luck!
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I got 800 in the maths, 770 in the writing and 760 in the reading. Key for the CR is just practice...I didn't find memorising vocab like some suggest to be useful; you can get through most of it using deduction. Beyond the 2300 mark it's 90% luck to be honest.


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Original post by Natalia A
Hey everyone,

So I am facing a dilemma here. I am currently doing the A levels and my subjects are History, Eng Literature, Psychology and Geography. I am planning to do an undergraduate in History, and through the years Oxford has been my dream destination. However, during the last couple of months I've been thinking about going to the States more and more often. I am thinking of the Ivy League schools (Harvard, Yale, etc.) but found out that in order to apply I will need to take the SAT tests. The thing is that SAT includes Mathematics, and I am not doing Math A-levels! Doesnt that give students that did IB, AP or Math A-levels a privilege? Is taking SAT Subject tests an option? I can't seem to an answer to these questions anywhere. Thank you very much for all your help!


Hey :smile: I'm taking A levels and doing prep for SAT for almost a year now! I suggest you should look at the SAT papers first really. SAT Maths Sections are very simple maths that can be done at GCSE level (middle school for US). The key to the maths section is to do as much papers as you can. About the SAT Subject tests, if you are really into Ivies, I really suggest you looking at their websites more closely. They have info regarding how many subject tests they require from UK/A levels students and the credits they are given. For Harvard students are required to take 3 subject tests I believe. And btw even students that are taking APs also have to do the subject tests. Hope this helps :smile:

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