Madrid, London and Paris - what has changed?
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
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Original post by newpersonage
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
A country with a superiority complex was attacked.
Original post by newpersonage
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
ISIS didn't exist back then .. it's a more palpable and immediate threat to all of us
Original post by newpersonage
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
ISIS.
Original post by newpersonage
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
What has changed is this is a recurring threat. There is a growing Muslim extremist sect and it is getting bigger and bigger. 1/3 of Muslims in polls said they supported killing in the name of religion, and that does not include the silent ones who were not honest.
Original post by newpersonage
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
The Madrid attacks caused an entire country's foreign policy to change, Spain pulled out of military action and shortly after the government lost an election. That's a pretty big impact.
Original post by demx9
ISIS didn't exist back then .. it's a more palpable and immediate threat to all of us
Al Qaeda existed then and had its home in Afghanistan. ISIS is an offspring of Al Qaeda - it has the same objective of restoring the Caliphate over the Ummah.
Are we playing "whack-a-mole"? Notice that the Taliban are returning to Afghanistan despite the invasion.
Original post by Drewski
The Madrid attacks caused an entire country's foreign policy to change, Spain pulled out of military action and shortly after the government lost an election. That's a pretty big impact.
But our media did not go into hysteria like last week. Spain is better known to Britons than France.
Original post by Howard
ISIS.
Al Qaeda.
Original post by newpersonage
But our media did not go into hysteria like last week. Spain is better known to Britons than France.
Yes it did. It garnered the equivalent at that time - it was 11 years ago.
And that's an idiotic statement. France and Spain are equally well known to Brits.
Original post by Gears265
What has changed is this is a recurring threat. There is a growing Muslim extremist sect and it is getting bigger and bigger. 1/3 of Muslims in polls said they supported killing in the name of religion, and that does not include the silent ones who were not honest.
Yes. Perhaps the Establishment is beginning to panic. Their policy of instilling a European identity by undermining the national identities of the EU countries seems to be backfiring as well - see:
"The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states."
Original post by Drewski
Yes it did. It garnered the equivalent at that time - it was 11 years ago.
And that's an idiotic statement. France and Spain are equally well known to Brits.
And that's an idiotic statement. France and Spain are equally well known to Brits.
I was looking back over the coverage of Madrid from the time and it appears that initially the Spanish thought it was ETA.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3500452.stm It was only on the 14th that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3509426.stm
The coverage was much less hysterical than today.
Your comment about "idiotic statement" suggests that you are middle class.
Yes, I think you may have put your finger on it. It just occurred to me that, of course, whilst posh BBC and Times journos might be hanging out in Paris restaurants most dont use London buses or go to the costa brava. They are thinking "it could have been me!".
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by newpersonage
I was looking back over the coverage of Madrid from the time and it appears that initially the Spanish thought it was ETA.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3500452.stm It was only on the 14th that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3509426.stm
The coverage was much less hysterical than today.
Your comment about "idiotic statement" suggests that you are middle class.
Yes, I think you may have put your finger on it. It just occurred to me that, of course, whilst posh BBC and Times journos might be hanging out in Paris restaurants most dont use London buses or go to the costa brava. They are thinking "it could have been me!".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3500452.stm It was only on the 14th that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3509426.stm
The coverage was much less hysterical than today.
Your comment about "idiotic statement" suggests that you are middle class.
Yes, I think you may have put your finger on it. It just occurred to me that, of course, whilst posh BBC and Times journos might be hanging out in Paris restaurants most dont use London buses or go to the costa brava. They are thinking "it could have been me!".
Yes. Internally they're more used to terrorism, they have a recent history of it. Like we do with the IRA. For France it was more of a shock. For the US it was more of a shock. And then the media feeds off that panic.
There's also an element of changing sensibilities. If Madrid happened today there'd be a different reaction. We've become a lot more panicky.
Your comment about class is bizarre. What effect does that have on anything? The fact you leap to that presumption says far more about you than it does me.
Original post by Drewski
Your comment about class is bizarre. What effect does that have on anything? The fact you leap to that presumption says far more about you than it does me.
Only a postmodernist or postmarxist would find the comment on class to be "bizarre". Real politics is largely about class, about whether the 70% of people who have to budget tightly can make it through the year , "isms" are the preoccupation of the middle class urbanites.
Original post by newpersonage
Only a postmodernist or postmarxist would find the comment on class to be "bizarre". Real politics is largely about class, about whether the 70% of people who have to budget tightly can make it through the year , "isms" are the preoccupation of the middle class urbanites.
No, in a conversation of this nature, most people would find it bizarre and, more importantly, utterly irrelevant.
Original post by TheArtofProtest
A country with a superiority complex was attacked.
You're not being judgmental or overgeneralizing an entire country there are you? You're not being disingenuous at all, and ignoring a complex tapestry of actual reasons... oh no, lefties like you are always above board.
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It's potentially a watershed moment for attitudes towards the refugee crisis.
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People are aware that this is unlikely to be a one off, and that we could see attacks like this quite frequently in the West.
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With it happening so soon after the Russian airliner going down, and with it happening within a year of many other really terrible terrorist attacks around the world, people are beginning to feel things are becoming out of control.
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They attacked a rock concert and people out drinking and dining. Thus it feels like it was an attack on Western culture in a very broad sense.
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It's included a whole different kind of terrorist attack. We are used to suicide bombers, not people spraying bullets. The stories of the Bataclan attackers shooting pregnant women or dying teenage girls at point black range just particularly hard to stomach.
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Far-right parties are already doing well in Europe, and this could cause increased support.
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This is a turning point in the fight against ISIS.
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This is the first time we've seen ISIS conduct a terrorist attack of this scale against innocent civillians in the West.
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Western European countries are now very worried about their security, as they respond to Islamic State's threats of more violence on the way.
Original post by newpersonage
The Paris attacks killed 130 people and 368 were injured
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
Madrid in 2004 killed 191 people
London in 2005 killed 52 but 700 were injured, many terribly injured.
Madrid and London created a lot of media attention but none of the palpable panic and demands for the eradication of the enemy that the Paris attacks have created. What has changed?
We were already trying to eradicate the enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2004 and 2005 so calls for war wasn't in people's minds.
Original post by KingBradly
You're not being judgmental or overgeneralizing an entire country there are you? You're not being disingenuous at all, and ignoring a complex tapestry of actual reasons... oh no, lefties like you are always above board.
You wear the cloak of sarcasm well.
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