The Reasons Why Foreigners Get Priority Housing over Citizens

and the reason is: council prioritising non-citizens over citizens.

Being homeless means you don't have a roof over your head for that night, so therefore you can't be homeless with emergency housing that same night, it is an oxymoron. Nice try though?!?

Not true not true not true. Say it like you mean it bro, cos you ain't been there? And we have!

oh boohoo. Being homeless doesnt change the fact that british people still get priority over foreigners under the current emergency housing system.

Me being older than you and having years of experience with social work, disability, social housing would mean I would know the system better than someone who just reads information and takes it at face value, I am the one who has real world experience.

Nope... homeless as defined by the government and charities is defined as those without permanent accommodation. Someone for example sleeping on their mates sofa = homeless.... hostels = homeless.... emergency accommodation = homeless.... B&B = homeless. I was lucky I didn't have to spend a night on the street, mostly because I was classified as vulnerable, but it's a common misconception that homeless = sleeping on the street.

It's why when looking at homeless stats you have to separate homeless and sleeping rough which the vast majority of charities I worked with did. Now a large amount of homeless people will sleep rough at some point. But the vast majority of people sleeping rough long term (over a week) are those who cause issues.

London is slightly different but according to Chain around 64% of those who sleep rough are only seen once on the street. By comparison in Liverpool where I helped this figure was much higher (closer to 90%) with the remainder, which was around 9-15 at any one time, was mostly the result of alcohol addiction which generally sets in after a week on the street.

oh boohoo. Being homeless doesnt change the fact that british people still get priority over foreigners under the current emergency housing system.

Nope... homeless as defined by the government and charities is defined as those without permanent accommodation. Someone for example sleeping on their mates sofa = homeless.... hostels = homeless.... emergency accommodation = homeless.... B&B = homeless. I was lucky I didn't have to spend a night on the street, mostly because I was classified as vulnerable, but it's a common misconception that homeless = sleeping on the street.

It's why when looking at homeless stats you have to separate homeless and sleeping rough which the vast majority of charities I worked with did. Now a large amount of homeless people will sleep rough at some point. But the vast majority of people sleeping rough long term (over a week) are those who cause issues.

London is slightly different but according to Chain around 64% of those who sleep rough are only seen once on the street. By comparison in Liverpool where I helped this figure was much higher (closer to 90%) with the remainder, which was around 9-15 at any one time, was mostly the result of alcohol addiction which generally sets in after a week on the street.

really

I have been 'homeless' within the official defintion ...

I also have a decade plus operational experience in emergency care and pre-hospital care , i have a sibling who is a serving police officer, ...

been there got the t-shirt , handed out the tshirt

Being homeless, means being 'without a home'. Not bunking up at your mate's because your mum kicked you out. Sorry to break it to you this way. It is easy to say, yeah my dad was in the army, so i know how to kill someone to five seconds flat, with only my bare hands and a piece of string. But then i am on tsr, where most users are pubscent teenagers, with about as much life experience as someone who has just been to a pub for the first time. And yes, there have been threads written on that. So we should forgive you for expecting more from you.

Point taken. But the point remains, someone who has never slept in a bin, or on a park bench in the rain, or begged for change, or associated with big issues, doesn't know about homelessness. Not a single penny. And no amount of Guardian or 'journal' surveys, will change this fact. In fact i'm fairly sure that most of the posters on this thread don't ever, if rarely, give money to the tramps and big issue sellers on the streets. But as someone who has slept in bins, on wet park benches, both begged and frequently gives change, i do have authority over this issue. Nice try though.

Yes and someone living in a hostel doesn't have a 'home' seriously homeless stats include those groups, get over it. There's a whole reason the government and responsible charities separate the two groups.

So working with said individuals doesn't mean squat then? right? We knew the vast majority of those who slept rough and the vast majority of those who slept rough knew exactly where the facilities for them were located.

And yes I won't give money to beggars.... because I've have seen and had to deal with the result first hand and it's not nice at all. Realistically the amount of free and cheap food handed out means in the majority of cases those sleeping rough already know which avenues to go to. Those same people I saw begging in liverpool would show up to our shelter for free food most evenings and a fair few would also turn up in hospital or dead due to alcohol abuse. "Nice try" but seriously in my personal experience most long term homeless who are sleeping rough are the result of demons such as addiction or violent behaviour (often caused by mental or personal issues). Government stats also shows most homeless individuals spend extremely few nights sleeping rough.

No idea what the underlined rant is about.

Are you working now btw? So you earn £200+ a week, and still can't afford a big issue, from someone who has spent hours standing in the cold and rain, to smile and bow down and ask you to pay £2.50 to buy one? Fair enough. Truth be told i normally don't buy one, but just give the nice Roma woman who sells it, 50p or £1 and tell her to 'keep it'. But then, being rich, is a state of mind. I know i will always help out those more needy than myself, because god made me that way. But i guess if everyone was so giving, we wouldn't have half of these problems in the first place!

Actually I earn about £100-170 a week depending on the hours available.... and no I don't exactly have enough spare money due to bills etc. Even then I've always been a bit conflicted over the big issue.

That said I prefer to donate directly to charities instead, for the reasons I stated in my previous post.

But from all of those standing orders you set up to charities, you do realise that the vast majority of the money you send, only pays the managers wages, right? And i know this as someone who has worked at a number of them, including but not limited to the red cross and shelter....?

oh really ?

so you were working in health and social care in the early or mid 90s , as that is what you would have to be doing to have 'more ' experience than I do ...

No, but my PARENTS were, and working doesn't give you FIRST HAND experience of each thing. it gives you a LIMITED experience.

Oh and for your information my father now works in the local housing for our area.

Are you saying all us are incorrect?

Using your brain for once you would know theres a difference between how something DOES work and how it SHOULD work.

and your obvious hypocrisy in your postion ...

Better than utter stupidity.

What am I being a hypocrite about?

Dismissing the experience of people who have experience of homelessness as both a 'service user' and as a practitioner in health and social care based on anecdotes aobut what your parents did in the 1990s ?