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    (Original post by DashBox)
    Do you have to notify UCL before making an application (to oxford) or inform them that you are in the process of one? Or is it literally just as simple as (if you get an offer), telling them one day that you want to drop out and that's it? How does it all exactly work?
    As I said, they have nothing to do with the app, and I just went up to programme director on the 11th and said that I'm dropping out, they said ok.
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    (Original post by GradeA*UnderA)
    Edit: if you're in the science research, you can just do a PhD at Cambridge, and if you do very well in your MSci, you can get most/all of it funded.
    This is a fair option. Many people will argue "but oh you miss out the undergraduate experience, the tutorials!! etc" but it is Cambridge. It's going to be good for both undergraduate and postgraduate. But I would stress that postgraduate is not about prestige as much as undergraduate - it is far more about the supervisor and the proposed project and if you wanted to study a specific aspect of ionic bonding for example but if no one did it at Cam (unlikely, but possible given how specific theses are), so be it.

    I don't necessarily agree about the not reapplying, given that the only thing a person would stand to lose is a little bit of money on travel & UCAS and dignity. But it has to be for the right reasons. Some people do indeed mature a lot at A2, some might have extenuating circumstances at AS meaning they didn't do as well and some exceed their predictions. In addition, some might have increased maturity which could come across well at interview, as well as a certain level of familiarity in the process.

    To note, it's not essential that you get an Oxbridge degree to even teach there so
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    (Original post by DashBox)
    uhh, clarify please
    Apply to Oxford cause it's better than Cambridge
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Honestly, it isn't a problem to add the 4th year for a Part III for SFE. It's just paperwork (or whatever the online equivalent is).

    The point I was trying to make was not about the (yes, perhaps not too significant) effort required to apply for the fourth year of funding, it was to point out that because the course is initially only for three years, this fourth year takes up the grace year SFE gives you for retaking/ restarting/ extending your studies - so if OP studied for a year at UCL too then he's already used up that grace year, so wouldn't be eligible for part III funding - regardless of how much or little effort is usually required for this.

    (Original post by DashBox)
    Alright, so the plan of action now then is to firm UCL and wait for my results. If I get exceptional results (I'm thinking 3 A*s or higher) then I have a good chance of getting into oxbridge (I do prefer cambridge) after taking a gap year and turning down all my offers. If, however I do not get exceptional results (2 A* or less, my offer from UCL is A*AA), I simply go to UCL and then re-apply for Oxford?

    Also, auburnstar, could you clarify which scenario you're talking about? I assume it's the second one.
    This sounds like a good plan to me Do bear in mind some of the points other commentators have made though - there's isn't that much of a gap between UCL and Oxbridge and you may find that the teaching methods, course structure, reduced pressure, campus, and potentially better social life (being in London) at UCL suits you better. So don't just go for Cambridge because you feel you ought to, but because it would really suit you better.
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    (Original post by dragonkeeper999)
    The point I was trying to make was not about the (yes, perhaps not too significant) effort required to apply for the fourth year of funding, it was to point out that because the course is initially only for three years, this fourth year takes up the grace year SFE gives you for retaking/ restarting/ extending your studies - so if OP studied for a year at UCL too then he's already used up that grace year, so wouldn't be eligible for part III funding - regardless of how much or little effort is usually required for this.
    Are you sure? It certainly doesn't for the 4 year MEng at Cambridge. Or afaik MMath.

    Or moving from the BSc program to the MSci at any other university.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Are you sure? It certainly doesn't for the 4 year MEng at Cambridge. Or afaik MMath.

    Or moving from the BSc program to the MSci at any other university.

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    Really? Then why were all my friends stressing over calling SFE and getting an extra year student loan? Also, our offer letters specifically stated that the course was a three year BA course with the option to extend to a fourth year MSci, subject to your chosen specialism and grades. Similarly with my student loan application, it was only for a three year BA course.

    I think it's a bit different certainly for Engineering where most people stay on to do the fourth year and it's kind of expected - dropping out after third year is quite unusual. Whereas for NatSci, not that many stay on for fourth year even in subjects where the fourth year is available, and there is a competitive application process for fourth year places. The default for NatSci is to leave after third year, whereas it seems like the default for Engineering is to do four years. I have no idea about Maths or other unis though.
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    (Original post by dragonkeeper999)
    Really? Then why were all my friends stressing over calling SFE and getting an extra year student loan? Also, our offer letters specifically stated that the course was a three year BA course with the option to extend to a fourth year MSci, subject to your chosen specialism and grades. Similarly with my student loan application, it was only for a three year BA course.

    I think it's a bit different certainly for Engineering where most people stay on to do the fourth year and it's kind of expected - dropping out after third year is quite unusual. Whereas for NatSci, not that many stay on for fourth year even in subjects where the fourth year is available, and there is a competitive application process for fourth year places. The default for NatSci is to leave after third year, whereas it seems like the default for Engineering is to do four years. I have no idea about Maths or other unis though.
    I think your friends are just misunderstanding. They are getting an extra year, but they are fully entitled to it and it's not the "gift" year.

    And if the letter even says they have the option to extend then there you have it. It's a standard thing

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    (Original post by jneill)
    I think your friends are just misunderstanding. They are getting an extra year, but they are fully entitled to it and it's not the "gift" year.

    And if the letter even says they have the option to extend then there you have it. It's a standard thing

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    Hmmm, maybe? It's not the impression I got from my college tutors though when looking to transfer unis, but they might also have been misinformed. Thanks

    OP: check with the official SFE rep if this is a deciding factor for you on going to UCL or not
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    (Original post by dragonkeeper999)
    Hmmm, maybe? It's not the impression I got from my college tutors though when looking to transfer unis, but they might also have been misinformed. Thanks

    OP: check with the official SFE rep if this is a deciding factor for you on going to UCL or not
    The gift year is definitely used when you redo a year, but not when you add a year of additional study to an undergrad course.

    "The number of years for which you are eligible for funding is calculated as:
    Length of current course + one additional year – years of previous study"
    http://www.practitioners.slc.co.uk/m...ide_1617_d.pdf

    So if the "current course" becomes a 4 year course (e.g. MSci) instead of a 3 year course (e.g. BSc) then it's all fine.
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    (Original post by 1010marina)
    Honestly, a bit of advice... Let it go and move on.

    Ask yourself what your motivation for applying again is? Is it to prove them/yourself wrong? Or do you genuinely believe that something has happened this year that has improved you in their eyes? Have you grown?

    Also a Cambridge reject and I went to Imperial this year. A lot of people spent those first few weeks getting over themselves and their rejections and everyone's over it now.

    UCL is (imperial banter aside) a fantastic uni. You'll probably have a better time of it too...
    Oxford reject here - now a first year physicist at Lancaster, completely agree. After I got my results (A*A*A*) I spent a day considering reapplying. In the end, I decided it wasn't worth it.

    To the OP:
    Even you do get three A*s, it still doesn't mean they have a much higher chance of getting in than before. Imagine applying again, being rejected again, and ultimately ending up going to the same uni you would have done before, but being a year behind where you could have been.

    Oxbridge isn't everything - especially as you don't seem to particularly care about the course, and only seem to care about going to Oxford / Cambridge. If you are so set on it, try again for postgrad.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    The gift year is definitely used when you redo a year, but not when you add a year of additional study to an undergrad course.

    "The number of years for which you are eligible for funding is calculated as:
    Length of current course + one additional year – years of previous study"
    http://www.practitioners.slc.co.uk/m...ide_1617_d.pdf

    So if the "current course" becomes a 4 year course (e.g. MSci) instead of a 3 year course (e.g. BSc) then it's all fine.
    Hmmm, their wording isn't very clear but I'll take your word for it Thanks
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    (Original post by jneill)
    The gift year is definitely used when you redo a year, but not when you add a year of additional study to an undergrad course.

    "The number of years for which you are eligible for funding is calculated as:
    Length of current course + one additional year – years of previous study"
    http://www.practitioners.slc.co.uk/m...ide_1617_d.pdf

    So if the "current course" becomes a 4 year course (e.g. MSci) instead of a 3 year course (e.g. BSc) then it's all fine.
    So if someone does a year somewhere else and then drops out before the end and then starts at another uni at Year 1 (just in general not necessarily Oxbridge) that would count as re-doing a year and not adding another year?
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    (Original post by auburnstar)
    So if someone does a year somewhere else and then drops out before the end and then starts at another uni at Year 1 (just in general not necessarily Oxbridge) that would count as re-doing a year and not adding another year?
    Correct. If they start a year, drop out, and then restart elsewhere in Year 1 it uses up the gift year.

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    (Original post by loveire&song)
    Oxford reject here - now a first year physicist at Lancaster, completely agree. After I got my results (A*A*A*) I spent a day considering reapplying. In the end, I decided it wasn't worth it.

    To the OP:
    Even you do get three A*s, it still doesn't mean they have a much higher chance of getting in than before. Imagine applying again, being rejected again, and ultimately ending up going to the same uni you would have done before, but being a year behind where you could have been.

    Oxbridge isn't everything - especially as you don't seem to particularly care about the course, and only seem to care about going to Oxford / Cambridge. If you are so set on it, try again for postgrad.
    But if in the case the OP was to not take a gap year and apply to Oxford while at UCL but still get rejected, couldn't they just continue at UCL and not be behind a year?
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    (Original post by blankboi)
    But if in the case the OP was to not take a gap year and apply to Oxford while at UCL but still get rejected, couldn't they just continue at UCL and not be behind a year?
    Yes.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Yes.
    I'm a self-selected Oxbridge reject but I'll most likely apply after a gap year if my A-levels go to plan - would not really doing anything worthwhile on my gap year be a massive disadvantage? I'd be applying for Physical NatSci.
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    (Original post by DarkEnergy)
    I'm a self-selected Oxbridge reject but I'll most likely apply after a gap year if my A-levels go to plan - would not really doing anything worthwhile on my gap year be a massive disadvantage? I'd be applying for Physical NatSci.
    Not really - although at least keeping up a semblance of interest in physics (or whatever) would be sensible. You don't need to working at CERN or something...
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Not really - although at least keeping up a semblance of interest in physics (or whatever) would be sensible. You don't need to working at CERN or something...
    Haha alright thanks
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    I was rejected from Cambridge this year but have an offer from Imperial amongst other unis to do MEng. My heart is still set on reapplying to Cambridge if I get a brilliant set of A level results.

    Is it a given that Imperial would not offer me another place through UCAS because I ultimately didn't take the offer. Also during my gap year I plan on applying for work experience. If I don't get a full years worth of work experience through somewhere like a Year in Industry will it count against me?
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    (Original post by Crazy47)
    Is it a given that Imperial would not offer me another place through UCAS because I ultimately didn't take the offer. Also during my gap year I plan on applying for work experience. If I don't get a full years worth of work experience through somewhere like a Year in Industry will it count against me?
    No. They won't hold a grudge...

    No. It makes no difference. It's very unusual to get proper (i.e. course-related) work experience anyway, and is not required.
 
 
 
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