Engineers & Mathematician

I think you are heading elsewhere with the conversation.

As i I said the issue you guys have, is that you have nothing to compare your studies to. Google searches are helpful but there is no way you can get the whole picture or anything close to it if you haven't experienced or seen what you are googling.

As I said there are many systems where analysis and algebra are part or most of the A-levels offered for University Entry. Any foreign student can verify this. And the guy above had already done so but you seem to be in a denial...

As the matter of fact and because I don't like to conduct myself with links of Google searchers as I am from the old School, have a look at the exams in the last couple of years in Russia, Spain, Greece, Italy, etc.

Is that easy but you need to do it on your own. This way you will appreciate it much more.

I do think luck does play some part, but the thinking ability will still be there in the students who compete and try. (I’m a year 12 and prepaparing for BMO1 medal this year) I don’t think the IMO is bad, luck exists but it is what it is. Atleast there is a correct answer, unlike essay subjects where essentially it’s all subjective and based on the marker.

I wouldn’t say all unis and exam boards are businesses simply because I am a believer of goodwill and people do good just to make the world better. I don’t think exam boards and unis like oxbridge want u to fail, I admit it’s not perfect but it’s almost impossible to make it perfect.

I assume you go to Imperial or UCL as you say top 10, and I hope I study maths in the top ten top one day 🤞🏽

I do think luck does play some part, but the thinking ability will still be there in the students who compete and try. (I’m a year 12 and prepaparing for BMO1 medal this year) I don’t think the IMO is bad, luck exists but it is what it is. Atleast there is a correct answer, unlike essay subjects where essentially it’s all subjective and based on the marker.

I wouldn’t say all unis and exam boards are businesses simply because I am a believer of goodwill and people do good just to make the world better. I don’t think exam boards and unis like oxbridge want u to fail, I admit it’s not perfect but it’s almost impossible to make it perfect.

I assume you go to Imperial or UCL as you say top 10, and I hope I study maths in the top ten top one day 🤞🏽

To be fair - getting an offer for maths is quite straightforward if you have the predicted grades with specific exceptions. (Oxbridge, Imperial, [oddly not Warwick though it's on the same league as these], Durham, St. Andrews, maybe one or two others) Then it's just on you to get the grades.

How is Warwick different for maths entry?

You have failed to give one link which shows this. You make the claim, you show the evidence. Otherwise your statement is about as good as Fermat's note in the margin of Diophantus.

Both will have to be good at mathematics. For who would be better at mathematics overall, I would say a mathematician as they would have likely covered more maths concepts than an engineer. However I think both would be very good when applying very specific and complex maths concepts that they specialise in.

You have an interesting view of the world.

This is actually how I thought of things when I was younger but I've grown much more cynical. Not going to state the reasons why as this would be a long post in and in itself.

I agree exam boards and unis don't want to make one fail, but they don't care enough to be more accurate either. Some students fall through the holes, that's for sure.

Good luck in getting to a top 10 uni

What I am talking about can be easily verified if you have a look as I don't conduct myself with Google links.

If I had made an extraordinary claim then yes by all means the burden of proof will fall on my shoulders. And in general those who make the claims should provide the evidence.

But here I merely state facts that again can be easily verified. There is nothing extraordinary about what I have said.

Engineers in this country have very basic level in Maths. Usually A-Level standrds or a little higher.

Nice try, but no cigar.

You are making the claims - it is incumbent on you to provide the evidence. Claiming that you can't use google for links is laughable.

If the 'facts can be easily verified', then verify them! Prove your case, rather than keep telling us that you're right: show us that you're right.

I'm pretty sure in their degrees, engineers regularly use multivariable calculus and learn Laplace and Fourier transforms which are a second year topic at a lot of universities like Cambridge.

There is no need to!

This is not a debate or an extraordinary claim. This is a fact that you can easily verify when YOU make the Google search.

I don't conduct myself this way nor I provide any links that someone maybe too lazy to find on his/her own.

What I have said is true with or without links.

As the matter of the fact another user has provided some links and tables in an earlier post. And he is the one who has had some experience amd knowledge from other educational systems.

Yes, the but of proof is for those who are making the claims, but there is nothing to prove here, I am just stating facts.

Likewise nobody will ask to prove anything which is established. In this case however the lack of knowledge and experience from other educational systems has made something established a 'debatable' matter.. That's where the problem is. It's not my fault you don't know much about other educational system.

Search and you will find the truth...

The original question was something else however. Whether engineers are as good in mathematics as mathematicians.
Do we need proof for this obvious matter too?! And the obvious matter is that the level of Mathematis engineers have is quite low and sometimes a joke depending on which University they are going.

You need proof on this??

You don't really get how this works, do you?

Unless you can provide any sort of verification of your claims - which you can't - no-one is going to take you seriously. Jumping up and down and saying I"M RIGHT doesn't change that one iota.

That's how it works. You aren't an exception to it.

Nice try, but no cigar.

You are making the claims - it is incumbent on you to provide the evidence. Claiming that you can't use google for links is laughable.

If the 'facts can be easily verified', then verify them! Prove your case, rather than keep telling us that you're right: show us that you're right.

Yes they do.

But this is very basic Calculus.