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Are there any disadvantages by going down the BEng + MSc route rather than doing a straight 4 year MEng?

Obviously could be more expensive and take longer.

Would it be harder to get chartered without a MEng?

I'm asking because I would like to specialise more and I don't fancy the prospect of doing another year at the same university on the same course.

I'm currently on the 3 year BEng course by the way. I get to choose what to do (BEng or MEng) at the end of this year.

Thanks in advance.
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As far as I know, you need to complete some independent study in your job in order to get chartered. It's definitely not a closed door though!
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If you have an MSc in Engineering then that is no different to an MEng for chartered status.
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yeah, MSc is the way to go if you wish to specialise or study something specific in more detail. But as pointed out by ChemBoy, it won't be harder to get chartership if you decide to do MSc instead of MEng.
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I've asked a few third years I know who are on the BEng instead of the MEng (when they're clearly smart enough to be) have said that they want to work for a few years, find an area they're interested in, and want to specialise in.

Once they've decided they'll then specialise in the form of an MSc and therefore in their opinion will be more employable in their field.

Good theory, but seems a little risky don't you think?
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(Original post by mdarwish01)
I've asked a few third years I know who are on the BEng instead of the MEng (when they're clearly smart enough to be) have said that they want to work for a few years, find an area they're interested in, and want to specialise in.

Once they've decided they'll then specialise in the form of an MSc and therefore in their opinion will be more employable in their field.

Good theory, but seems a little risky don't you think?
Not risky really, but rather wise depending on the condition of the student.

I am still on the MEng programme officially, but having done about 3 months of placement with my current company, I am determined to do a BEng instead of MEng. Reasons are many including:

MEng is still considered Honours degree and that is what will come in your certificate: MEng (Hons). And that is a big disadvantage in countries other than UK if the company finds an applicant with a MSc which is a post-grad qualification.

I am not using about 80% or more of the things I learned at the uni during my first 2 years, and it's highly likely I won't be using more than half of the stuff I will learn during my finar year as part of the MEng. So why bother doing an extra year with MEng? A specialised MSc is much better for the field you want to work in.

Like many others, I want to work a few years before studying for a MSc. Why waste an extra year at uni when I can start working and get the same benefits and rewards right after BEng?

Chartership is possible with both MEng and MSc. Just like MEng, the MSc needs to be accredited or recognised. So I'm losing nothing in that respect. Also, there are many Chartered Engineers with only a HND qualification.

The MSc course is likely to be sponsored by my company in future. If you think about it, you'll see how satisfying this is. You are not paying a penny, and you have a guaranteed job after finishing MSc. Nothing to lose.

And also few more, I can't remember them all. It's fine doing MEng, but a person with a year out in industry+BEng is more experienced and more employable than a person with a flat out MEng. It's a fact that people realise later.
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(Original post by Justintabib)
Not risky really, but rather wise depending on the condition of the student.

I am still on the MEng programme officially, but having done about 3 months of placement with my current company, I am determined to do a BEng instead of MEng. Reasons are many including:

MEng is still considered Honours degree and that is what will come in your certificate: MEng (Hons). And that is a big disadvantage in countries other than UK if the company finds an applicant with a MSc which is a post-grad qualification.

I am not using about 80% or more of the things I learned at the uni during my first 2 years, and it's highly likely I won't be using more than half of the stuff I will learn during my finar year as part of the MEng. So why bother doing an extra year with MEng? A specialised MSc is much better for the field you want to work in.

Like many others, I want to work a few years before studying for a MSc. Why waste an extra year at uni when I can start working and get the same benefits and rewards right after BEng?

Chartership is possible with both MEng and MSc. Just like MEng, the MSc needs to be accredited or recognised. So I'm losing nothing in that respect. Also, there are many Chartered Engineers with only a HND qualification.

The MSc course is likely to be sponsored by my company in future. If you think about it, you'll see how satisfying this is. You are not paying a penny, and you have a guaranteed job after finishing MSc. Nothing to lose.

And also few more, I can't remember them all. It's fine doing MEng, but a person with a year out in industry+BEng is more experienced and more employable than a person with a flat out MEng. It's a fact that people realise later.

I guess so. I'm on the MEng as well, but what loads of people have been telling me is that the BEng with an MSc does pay off more in the end.

Doesn't it take longer to get chartered though?

Edit: Who are you doing your placement with?
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It doesn't take any longer than the MEng route. Just your 1-year MSc needs to be accredited/recognised as part of the further learning of whichever Institution you are registered with. It takes a minimum of 4 years work experience (or MPDS as it known officially) + educational requirements. Let's consider two possible routes:

1. X doing 3 years BEng, then working 4 years in an accredited scheme with a company, then doing 1 year MSc (or doing MSc in between his years at the Company). So it takes X 8 years to be a CEng (minimum).

2. Y doing 4 years MEng, then working 4 years in an accredited scheme with a company. So it takes Y 8 years to be a CEng (minimum).

No difference except that they are two separate routes reaching the same destination at the same time.

And if you are on a 1-year placement that is accredited as well, that is you're on MPDS, then after you graduate, it will take only 3 more years (minimum) of accredited work experience to be CEng. Of course, some engineers wait as many as 7-8 years before they apply for Chartership, and they have their reasons.

I am doing my placement with Cummins in Daventry, which is the world's largest diesel engine manufacturer and leader in power generation, with Perkins being their biggest competitor. An excellent company to work for in all respect, except maybe my current location!
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(Original post by Justintabib)
Not risky really, but rather wise depending on the condition of the student.

I am still on the MEng programme officially, but having done about 3 months of placement with my current company, I am determined to do a BEng instead of MEng. Reasons are many including:

MEng is still considered Honours degree and that is what will come in your certificate: MEng (Hons). And that is a big disadvantage in countries other than UK if the company finds an applicant with a MSc which is a post-grad qualification.

I am not using about 80% or more of the things I learned at the uni during my first 2 years, and it's highly likely I won't be using more than half of the stuff I will learn during my finar year as part of the MEng. So why bother doing an extra year with MEng? A specialised MSc is much better for the field you want to work in.

Like many others, I want to work a few years before studying for a MSc. Why waste an extra year at uni when I can start working and get the same benefits and rewards right after BEng?

Chartership is possible with both MEng and MSc. Just like MEng, the MSc needs to be accredited or recognised. So I'm losing nothing in that respect. Also, there are many Chartered Engineers with only a HND qualification.

The MSc course is likely to be sponsored by my company in future. If you think about it, you'll see how satisfying this is. You are not paying a penny, and you have a guaranteed job after finishing MSc. Nothing to lose.

And also few more, I can't remember them all. It's fine doing MEng, but a person with a year out in industry+BEng is more experienced and more employable than a person with a flat out MEng. It's a fact that people realise later.
I am doing Meng with a year in industry in the middle 2:1:2
In addition to that the company will probably sponsor Beng and Meng years.
So I would say there is no difference.
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I'm going straight for the MEng in 4 years, cant be bothered to change places and deal with new professors that I dont know etc. But I dont think doing an MSc is exactly a problem
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(Original post by mdarwish01)
I've asked a few third years I know who are on the BEng instead of the MEng (when they're clearly smart enough to be) have said that they want to work for a few years, find an area they're interested in, and want to specialise in.

Once they've decided they'll then specialise in the form of an MSc and therefore in their opinion will be more employable in their field.

Good theory, but seems a little risky don't you think?
I've spoken to some other students, both year 3 and year 2 BEng students, as well. they've scored well enough to transfer to the MEng, but have decided to work a few years after the BEng before doing the MSc. i used to think it was pointless when you can just get an MEng/MSc before working, but it actually makes sense to specialize in industry before doing an MSc.
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So say you get a job within in a company coming out with only a BEng, unless you pursue a MSc in the future, your job prospects and ultimately your salary within that company are capped?
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So say you get a job within in a company coming out with only a BEng, unless you pursue a MSc in the future, your job prospects and ultimately your salary within that company are capped?
I would like to know this too...

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So say you get a job within in a company coming out with only a BEng, unless you pursue a MSc in the future, your job prospects and ultimately your salary within that company are capped?
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I would like to know this too...

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No, you can still gain chartership without an MEng/MSc by writing a technical report, and this will influence your pay and prospects far more than a Masters. A Masters is a means to an end.

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No, you can still gain chartership without an MEng/MSc by writing a technical report, and this will influence your pay and prospects far more than a Masters. A Masters is a means to an end.

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It sounds like your technical report has to demonstrate the same level of knowledge as a masters degree, so further input from someone who has gone down this route is probably necessary to say whether it's better than getting a masters instead.
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It sounds like your technical report has to demonstrate the same level of knowledge as a masters degree, so further input from someone who has gone down this route is probably necessary to say whether it's better than getting a masters instead.
That's the point of it - to satisfy the knowledge requirements.

The question I answered was only asking whether you are limited in terms of pay/prospects. The answer to that is no.

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Does an MSc have an effect on someone's ability to get into an Engineering grad scheme? As I understand, most grad schemes start early September, and most MSc courses dont finish till late September. Will I have to take a year out? And then apply the following year? This is assuming that Im going straight into the MSc course as I graduate from a BEng
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I'm thinking this too.

Tbh I'm not really looking forward doing 4 years at the same university (offer for the MEng), Would rather do the BEng, then work, then if It happens I want to get into industry, i'd do an MSc.

I'll just stick with the MEng for now...
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(Original post by Anonynmous)
I'm thinking this too.

Tbh I'm not really looking forward doing 4 years at the same university (offer for the MEng), Would rather do the BEng, then work, then if It happens I want to get into industry, i'd do an MSc.

I'll just stick with the MEng for now...
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel now? :ahee:
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Anyone in the recent years if they know, I have scope to do an MSC after a BEng from a degree apprenticeships. And even further a Phd.
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