New visa scheme will mean fewer jobs for UK grads
The current government have just announced a 'special' visa scheme for Overseas graduates - Visa scheme for graduates from top 50 non-UK universities is launched | Universities | The Guardian
If you think about it, this means fewer jobs would be available for UK graduates. These will be people aimimg at top jobs - they are not going to be filling vacancies at Primark.
What on earth is this govement thinking. Why do they think this could possibly be a 'good idea', especially for the 'covid cohort', to deliberately restrict the furture employment opportunities for our own graduates?
If you want to email your MP - Contact your MP - UK Parliament
If you think about it, this means fewer jobs would be available for UK graduates. These will be people aimimg at top jobs - they are not going to be filling vacancies at Primark.
What on earth is this govement thinking. Why do they think this could possibly be a 'good idea', especially for the 'covid cohort', to deliberately restrict the furture employment opportunities for our own graduates?
If you want to email your MP - Contact your MP - UK Parliament
this visa is only available to some of the brightest people in the world as it's limited to grads from only the top 50 universities. sorry, how do you not see the benefit of allowing these people to work in the UK? good for businesses, the economy, innovation and producing quality UK products. these grads are gonna come here and spend money on the UK and make the UK money in more ways than one.
long term these grads are going to have to switch to a regular work visa if they want to stay in the UK. the industries they work in will therefore be limited as well as the firms/companies/whatever in the industry because not every firm etc can sponsor someone - even the job roles are limited; in fact it's extremely limited when you compare it to where UK residents can work and what type of position they can work in. nobody can sponsor a visa for the office receptionist or paralegal even if they graduated from Harvard Law. hence, there's no way it will pose a threat to the average UK graduate; they likely are not applying for the same job.
also do you know the conditions an employer must meet in order to prove to the UK Home Office that it can sponsor someone for a work visa? one of them is they have to prove the candidate was a better choice, that they needed to hire this non UK citizen for this position and couldn't hire a UK grad. it ain't necessarily an easy argument to make.
it's also probable that the UK wanted to think of creative solutions to make up for the fact it won't see the same amount of workers coming into the UK now that we've brexited; nope, not nearly the same amount now that borders are closed.
long term these grads are going to have to switch to a regular work visa if they want to stay in the UK. the industries they work in will therefore be limited as well as the firms/companies/whatever in the industry because not every firm etc can sponsor someone - even the job roles are limited; in fact it's extremely limited when you compare it to where UK residents can work and what type of position they can work in. nobody can sponsor a visa for the office receptionist or paralegal even if they graduated from Harvard Law. hence, there's no way it will pose a threat to the average UK graduate; they likely are not applying for the same job.
also do you know the conditions an employer must meet in order to prove to the UK Home Office that it can sponsor someone for a work visa? one of them is they have to prove the candidate was a better choice, that they needed to hire this non UK citizen for this position and couldn't hire a UK grad. it ain't necessarily an easy argument to make.
it's also probable that the UK wanted to think of creative solutions to make up for the fact it won't see the same amount of workers coming into the UK now that we've brexited; nope, not nearly the same amount now that borders are closed.
I mean the thing is people who graduate from Harvard, MIT, ETHZ, X, ANU etc, are probably not going to have the UK on the top of their list of destinations anyway. So it seems like a lot of fluff that will ultimately make very little difference in the long run - par for the course for the Tories of course.
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Meh. These grads are probably more likely to go to the US anyway where salaries are much higher (especially in tech) + better growth opportunities.
Just like how they won't fill " vacancies at Primark." - they won't be filling vacancies on say, the Enterprise Rent-a-Car graduate scheme either.
Just a post-Brexit benefit spin thing from the govt.
Just like how they won't fill " vacancies at Primark." - they won't be filling vacancies on say, the Enterprise Rent-a-Car graduate scheme either.
Just a post-Brexit benefit spin thing from the govt.
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Original post by ajj2000
Is the scheme much more favourable than for overseas students attending U.K. universities?
In some respects, yes.
The High Potential Individual Visa is for qualifications attained outside the UK, while the Graduate Visa immigration route is meant for those who graduated in the UK, and can only be applied for in the UK.
While the routes are otherwise similar, applicants for the Graduate Visa must have a Student Visa as their current or most recent visa for the UK, and they must have successfully completed their course of study during their last grant of permission as a Student.
High Potential Individuals, on the other hand, have five years after graduation to make use of the route. Moreover, PhD graduates are permitted to stay for three years rather than two.
High Potential Individuals have fewer requirements to meet in order to bring dependants to the UK, while Graduates are only allowed to have dependants joining them if they were already dependants while on a Student visa.
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Great news. Competition benefits everyone.
This isn't really anything new, either. I competed with non-UK candidates for my IB internship, and I won out in the end. Protectionism always hurts everyone. Let the UK graduate market be open to competition from abroad.
This isn't really anything new, either. I competed with non-UK candidates for my IB internship, and I won out in the end. Protectionism always hurts everyone. Let the UK graduate market be open to competition from abroad.
Original post by Supermature
In some respects, yes.
The High Potential Individual Visa is for qualifications attained outside the UK, while the Graduate Visa immigration route is meant for those who graduated in the UK, and can only be applied for in the UK.
While the routes are otherwise similar, applicants for the Graduate Visa must have a Student Visa as their current or most recent visa for the UK, and they must have successfully completed their course of study during their last grant of permission as a Student.
High Potential Individuals, on the other hand, have five years after graduation to make use of the route. Moreover, PhD graduates are permitted to stay for three years rather than two.
High Potential Individuals have fewer requirements to meet in order to bring dependants to the UK, while Graduates are only allowed to have dependants joining them if they were already dependants while on a Student visa.
The High Potential Individual Visa is for qualifications attained outside the UK, while the Graduate Visa immigration route is meant for those who graduated in the UK, and can only be applied for in the UK.
While the routes are otherwise similar, applicants for the Graduate Visa must have a Student Visa as their current or most recent visa for the UK, and they must have successfully completed their course of study during their last grant of permission as a Student.
High Potential Individuals, on the other hand, have five years after graduation to make use of the route. Moreover, PhD graduates are permitted to stay for three years rather than two.
High Potential Individuals have fewer requirements to meet in order to bring dependants to the UK, while Graduates are only allowed to have dependants joining them if they were already dependants while on a Student visa.
That’s really interesting. So were someone contemplating where to go for a degree and thought they might like the option of working in the U.K. a top Canadian or Australian university would be a better option?
Original post by McGinger
The current government have just announced a 'special' visa scheme for Overseas graduates - Visa scheme for graduates from top 50 non-UK universities is launched | Universities | The Guardian
If you think about it, this means fewer jobs would be available for UK graduates. These will be people aimimg at top jobs - they are not going to be filling vacancies at Primark.
What on earth is this govement thinking. Why do they think this could possibly be a 'good idea', especially for the 'covid cohort', to deliberately restrict the furture employment opportunities for our own graduates?
If you want to email your MP - Contact your MP - UK Parliament
If you think about it, this means fewer jobs would be available for UK graduates. These will be people aimimg at top jobs - they are not going to be filling vacancies at Primark.
What on earth is this govement thinking. Why do they think this could possibly be a 'good idea', especially for the 'covid cohort', to deliberately restrict the furture employment opportunities for our own graduates?
If you want to email your MP - Contact your MP - UK Parliament
While the numbers involved are likely to be small, it is the message that this scheme sends out that is the real cause for concern. As one employment agency has already noted, the scheme will prove useful for employers who want to hire anyone eligible without the expense or responsibility of sponsoring them.
The scheme is also likely to reinforce the obsession with university rankings and league tables. That could be a howler of an own goal, given that UK universities are slipping down the world rankings and are likely to continue to do so. It's tantamount to suggesting that our own universities aren't good enough.
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Original post by ajj2000
That’s really interesting. So were someone contemplating where to go for a degree and thought they might like the option of working in the U.K. a top Canadian or Australian university would be a better option?
That's how some might see it. As I say, potentially an own goal.
Original post by Supermature
While the numbers involved are likely to be small, it is the message that this scheme sends out that is the real cause for concern. As one employment agency has already noted, the scheme will prove useful for employers who want to hire anyone eligible without the expense or responsibility of sponsoring them.
The scheme is also likely to reinforce the obsession with university rankings and league tables. That could be howler of an own goal, given that UK universities are slipping down the world rankings and are likely to continue to do so. It's tantamount to suggesting that our own universities aren't good enough.
The scheme is also likely to reinforce the obsession with university rankings and league tables. That could be howler of an own goal, given that UK universities are slipping down the world rankings and are likely to continue to do so. It's tantamount to suggesting that our own universities aren't good enough.
It could be the start of a huge change around the world. I think China has used a university list for visa purposes - not sure I’ve heard of any other country doing so formally.
If you see competition in the job market as a bad thing, you probably won't get getting "top jobs".
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