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Liz Truss' policies are appaling

Liz Truss wants to cut tax for the rich by almost £5 thousand, while the poor will only get a £2.3 thousand cut. How is this fair? It is simply backwards. The people needing the most help should get the most help, mainly because they need it, but also because the poor will be much more likely to spend it, therefore helping the economy more. This is yet another example of Tory favoritism, and it just goes to show how much they are in the pocket of the rich, while abandoning those that need help

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I cannot stand the Conservative party however I don’t think fair is the right word to be using because in theory it’s completely ‘fair’. Higher earners pay significantly more tax for services lower earners are more likely to use. When higher earners are paying 40-60% in effective tax and lower earners less than 20% due to the personal allowance it seems perfectly fair that the higher earners will receive more from tax cuts. The true meaning of fairness would be flat rate taxation and therefore everyone would benefit equally, but it seems very fair to me if you put more into a system you should benefit more from things like tax cuts than those who don’t put as much in. 🤷🏽*♀️
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Original post by Averageguyy
Liz Truss wants to cut tax for the rich by almost £5 thousand, while the poor will only get a £2.3 thousand cut. How is this fair? It is simply backwards. The people needing the most help should get the most help, mainly because they need it, but also because the poor will be much more likely to spend it, therefore helping the economy more. This is yet another example of Tory favoritism, and it just goes to show how much they are in the pocket of the rich, while abandoning those that need help


Wot tax cut are you on about?

Who are 'the rich'?
Original post by ALEreapp
I cannot stand the Conservative party however I don’t think fair is the right word to be using because in theory it’s completely ‘fair’. Higher earners pay significantly more tax for services lower earners are more likely to use. When higher earners are paying 40-60% in effective tax and lower earners less than 20% due to the personal allowance it seems perfectly fair that the higher earners will receive more from tax cuts. The true meaning of fairness would be flat rate taxation and therefore everyone would benefit equally, but it seems very fair to me if you put more into a system you should benefit more from things like tax cuts than those who don’t put as much in. 🤷🏽*♀️


Ah, yes, coz all low-paid workers are lazy sods. On a serious note, its only the top 10% getting the tax cut, who can all do without. I know this because I am part of that 10% and despite my dad being unemployed right now, we can still pay. The poor have suffered the most form tory ignorance and need more help than those who don't need it at all
Original post by Quady
Wot tax cut are you on about?

Who are 'the rich'?

Here: https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-prepared-to-be-unpopular-with-tax-policy-to-boost-economic-growth-12702039

The rich are classed as the top 10% in this case
Original post by Averageguyy
Ah, yes, coz all low-paid workers are lazy sods. On a serious note, its only the top 10% getting the tax cut, who can all do without. I know this because I am part of that 10% and despite my dad being unemployed right now, we can still pay. The poor have suffered the most form tory ignorance and need more help than those who don't need it at all


In not saying they don’t need help, just simply stating the way you worded it wasn’t really correct. Who’s mentioned anything about laziness? I am a low paid worker myself whilst my parents are that top 10%. That pay ridiculous amounts in tax compared to me. It’s very simple economics, if I started a business with someone but they put in £90 and I put in £10 I can’t expect the profits to be split 50/50 because we haven’t put in the same amount.
Original post by ALEreapp
In not saying they don’t need help, just simply stating the way you worded it wasn’t really correct. Who’s mentioned anything about laziness? I am a low paid worker myself whilst my parents are that top 10%. That pay ridiculous amounts in tax compared to me. It’s very simple economics, if I started a business with someone but they put in £90 and I put in £10 I can’t expect the profits to be split 50/50 because we haven’t put in the same amount.


You can't view it as a business transaction. Tax cuts are supposed to be an act of humanity. The fact is the top 10% do not need the help they get, and its just a drop of water, while for the unfortunate, it can be a game-changer. We need to switch our strategy to humanity-focused
However this is just a pipedream now, as Truss announced we are returning to fracking, one of the most obtuse and gross ways of securing a fossile fuel, which is already obtuse and gross enough. Truss doesn't view the energy crisis as an opportunity to advance green energy, but she is deliberately trying to keep us in the dark ages, despite not being liked. The whole conservative anti-woke agenda is also unpopular, with the majority of the UK now being pro-woke, as The Guardian reported.
If justice were real. and the people could suddenly change the voting system to proportional representation as 51% want (The Guardian), the Tories would not stand a chance.
Original post by Averageguyy
You can't view it as a business transaction. Tax cuts are supposed to be an act of humanity. The fact is the top 10% do not need the help they get, and its just a drop of water, while for the unfortunate, it can be a game-changer. We need to switch our strategy to humanity-focused


Tax cuts are not an act of humanity they are a method of economic growth (whether they work is another matter). A tax cut is not ‘help’, reducing the amount of money you steal of someone is not help it’s the bare minimum. Tax can only be justified to a certain extent and 40-60% effective tax is not justified in any way. Tax cuts are absolutely a business transaction, it’s a way to get people to spend more and in turn actually end up paying things like vat anyway.
Original post by ALEreapp
Tax cuts are not an act of humanity they are a method of economic growth (whether they work is another matter). A tax cut is not ‘help’, reducing the amount of money you steal of someone is not help it’s the bare minimum. Tax can only be justified to a certain extent and 40-60% effective tax is not justified in any way. Tax cuts are absolutely a business transaction, it’s a way to get people to spend more and in turn actually end up paying things like vat anyway.


The reason why we are getting tax cuts is to keep our population alive and going, so that later they can help the economy
The major problem with the PM's policies aren't that they won't create this magical economic growth that she promises, but that she is planning to cut taxes like Reagan while spending money like a socialist.

We, the relatively young people of Britain, are the ones who are going to have to pick up the tax bill for this fiscal recklessness.
Original post by Crazed cat lady
The major problem with the PM's policies aren't that they won't create this magical economic growth that she promises, but that she is planning to cut taxes like Reagan while spending money like a socialist.

We, the relatively young people of Britain, are the ones who are going to have to pick up the tax bill for this fiscal recklessness.

Exactamente
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Top 10% of what?

The link references the cap on bankers bonuses, but that's not a tax....
Her polcies are aimed at the tiny percentage of individuals who put her into power, not at the British public at large.
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Original post by Wonder Potato
Her polcies are aimed at the tiny percentage of individuals who put her into power, not at the British public at large.


Are they...?

Pensioners (the stereotype of the electorate that put her into power) don't pay NI. Cutting it improves the lot of anyone earning over £13k. Similarly the income tax cut is only to the basic rate.

The changes to booze duty is one for the public at large too.
Original post by Averageguyy
Tax cuts are supposed to be an act of humanity.


No, they are supposed to be an act of economic stimulus. You can disagree about whether they work or not but giving someone back their own money is not an act of charity.
Original post by Quady
Are they...?

Pensioners (the stereotype of the electorate that put her into power) don't pay NI. Cutting it improves the lot of anyone earning over £13k. Similarly the income tax cut is only to the basic rate.

The changes to booze duty is one for the public at large too.


Don't worry, whatever gains low-middle earners see will be wiped out by inflation and currency devaluation.
Original post by ALEreapp
In not saying they don’t need help, just simply stating the way you worded it wasn’t really correct. Who’s mentioned anything about laziness? I am a low paid worker myself whilst my parents are that top 10%. That pay ridiculous amounts in tax compared to me. It’s very simple economics, if I started a business with someone but they put in £90 and I put in £10 I can’t expect the profits to be split 50/50 because we haven’t put in the same amount.


Quite right. But if you put £10,000 into the pocket of someone who is rich, they simply put it into their offshore tax haven bank account. If you give £100 in breaks to the masses, they go out and spend that in the businesses of the rich, causing increased demand which in turn creates more jobs which in turn generates more money that gets spent back in those same businesses.

I think Milwaukie or somewhere in the states increased the minimum wage much to the protests of small business owners who were surprised when takings went up as those on the lowest wages started spending their increased earnings in restaurants and.... wait for it.... small businesses!

Tuss' tax cuts will have no impact on investment whatsoever especially as these tax cuts are being paid for by government borrowing.
Original post by ALEreapp
Tax can only be justified to a certain extent and 40-60% effective tax is not justified in any way.

I think it is relative. I find it really sad that the measure of society is money. In reality it should be happiness. Happiness is generally a product of having your basics covered. Family, somewhere to live, your health, security, food to eat, clothes to wear and a sense of purpose. So if those basics are covered in a society where there is 60% tax the fact you don't have that much money left over doesn't matter because you happy because all the basics are covered.

If you look at our country, we have an NHS that is not working for anyone, a police and justice system that is broken and a housing market which means most people are paying over and above what they should be paying. We have supermarkets limiting the amount of cheap food you can buy and energy prices that force many to either eat or heat. High tax / low tax makes no difference.
Original post by hotpud
Quite right. But if you put £10,000 into the pocket of someone who is rich, they simply put it into their offshore tax haven bank account. If you give £100 in breaks to the masses, they go out and spend that in the businesses of the rich, causing increased demand which in turn creates more jobs which in turn generates more money that gets spent back in those same businesses.

I think Milwaukie or somewhere in the states increased the minimum wage much to the protests of small business owners who were surprised when takings went up as those on the lowest wages started spending their increased earnings in restaurants and.... wait for it.... small businesses!

Tuss' tax cuts will have no impact on investment whatsoever especially as these tax cuts are being paid for by government borrowing.


But ‘rich’ is relative. My parents will benefit from the 45% tax bracket being removed however we still have a mortgage on our house etc. our money will not being going into offshore accounts it will be going to local business.
What people need to remember is the ‘rich rich’ won’t be paying the tax in the first place, it’s middle class people like my parents who pay very much their fair share who feel the burden of increased taxation. So yes this tax cut will bring more money into businesses.
I don’t think the USA is a good example, the fact in some states it’s legal to pay servers under 2 dollars shows increasing the minimum wage is not equivalent to here in uk. I can tell you for a fact where I work when the minimum wage went up in April, every single one of our prices increased by atleast £1.

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