2022 US Midterms Official Thread

Way to mix the official and unofficial, but nice try.

More meaningful to reason that women who refuse to bear and raise the children they conceive don't deserve to be legally regarded as responsible adults and shouldn't be voting.

If a couple use contraception then they are responsible, so if that contraception fails you accept abortion as a reasonable option?
Also, abortion is essential in circumstances like rape.

And your argument is self defeating because if you accept that those women are not responsible adults and shouldn't be trusted with the vote, they certainly shouldn't be trusted with children so abortion is the logical outcome.

The fraud stuff has been rattling around for a long time and there's plentiful evidence that there was serious fraud in the past, most notably in Chicago and New York, where votes were manipulated on large scales with the help of the mob and others. A lot of it was stamped out in the 80s though and there hasn't as far as one can tell been any serious evidence of widescale fraud since then. The biggest threat to fair elections now is the routine attempts to stop parts of the electorate from voting at all with dubious methods such as demands for only certain types of ID (excluding the young and the poor - the Tories are trying that out here in the UK as well), blocks to postal voting, etc.

Mail-in ballots (what they call postal votes in the US) are another reason for the long delays in some areas, as there are states where they have made rulings that the electoral authorities have to give up to 4 days to allow the counting of mail-ins as long as they carry the postmark of election day. In areas where there is a close result this can lead to long delays in calling the result as those last votes have to be counted days after election day.

Voter suppression wasn’t unique to the Republicans. What are to British eyes bizarre mail in ballot rules were the result of Reagan era efforts to prevent the disenfranchisement of servicemen, who mainly voted Republican, by sending out ballots too late for them to be reasonably returned by Election Day. Late returned service ballots were allowed in Federal elections nationwide and as some late returned ballots had to be counted, States started permitting more and more late returned ballots.

A separate thread needs to be made for this topic

Choices have consequences and people need to accept those consequences. Sexual Assault is a different argument but that probably does not make up the majority of all abortion cases.

As abortion seems to have been a major factor in the Republican failure in the midterms, it is certainly relevant.

I didn't spell it out, but of course the voter suppression and manipulation (plus a healthy dose of intimidation when required) that went on pre-1980s was often done by or on behalf of Democratic candidates and famously of course it's widely alleged that JFK only became President due to massive voter fraud in Chicago carried out by the mob under the control of mafia boss Sam Giancana, who had a close relationship with Kennedy's father, himself a sort of former mobster/racketeer from the Prohibition era.

I wasn't suggesting that delaying final results to await the late delivery of posted on time mail-ins was fraud or suppression, personally I support mail-ins as they allow many to vote who wouldn't otherwise make it to the polls. I was just pointing out the practicalities in very tight races. It's the Republicans who have been trying to stop mail-ins in many states as a voter suppression tactic.

As abortion seems to have been a major factor in the Republican failure in the midterms, it is certainly relevant.


Ok. So you think that abortion should be legal in cases of rape, and for those people who didn't choose to become pregnant. What about those who did choose it but continuing the pregnancy would endanger the life of the mother, or if the foetus has severe defects?

That is A Trumpism. Prior to Trump it was believed that Mail ins favoured Republicans because, even apart from the military, they were more mobile.

Democrats have really turned out to give the MAGAs a pasting. I'm really quite proud.

Democrats have really turned out to give the MAGAs a pasting. I'm really quite proud.

It's a shame that New York, of all places, has cost them the House too.

AOC was really angry about it and lambasted what she described as the 'ancient regime' Democrat machine in NYC. She has a point because in many other blue urban areas, progressive candidates polled better than traditional centrists.

So Democrats keep the Senate and narrowly lose the house. Democrats also, Florida and New York aside did very well in a lot of governor and state legislature races.

It's clear that the best thing for the Democrats would be Trump being the Republican nominee for 2024. He is probably the only realistic nominee that Biden could beat.

I don't think that will happen. Trump's image is ruined and Republicans are starting to get fed up with him, even avid supporters. It's funny that neither the horrendous things he said during his campaigns or the January 6th riots were enough for them to ditch him, but one bad midterm was.

If a couple use contraception then they are responsible, so if that contraception fails you accept abortion as a reasonable option?
Also, abortion is essential in circumstances like rape.

And your argument is self defeating because if you accept that those women are not responsible adults and shouldn't be trusted with the vote, they certainly shouldn't be trusted with children so abortion is the logical outcome.

Whether some is "responsible" or not has no bearing on a person's bodily autonomy. Such terms serve no purpose other than as a tactic to shame anyone seeking abortion.