[Official thread] Hamas-Israel Conflict

According to the Bible, the Jews conquered the lands from the natives after the exodus, so premising Israel on "right of return" is to mean they may return to lands that they conquered once upon a time - shoddy argument.
And the period of history under the control of any one religious group has been longer under Islam than Judaism, so on that from the Muslim Arabs of the levant/Palestine have greater claim to the area than Jews from different continents entirely.

The British have no right to "give" something that was not theirs to others who have no right to it either.

I will not get over you justifying antisemitism towards Palestinians. People with your attitude are what create those who commit terrorism.

According to the Bible, the Jews conquered the lands from the natives after the exodus, so premising Israel on "right of return" is to mean they may return to lands that they conquered once upon a time - shoddy argument.
And the period of history under the control of any one religious group has been longer under Islam than Judaism, so on that note the Muslim Arabs of the levant/Palestine have greater claim to the area than Jews from different continents entirely.

The British have no right to "give" something that was not theirs to others who have no right to it either.

I will not get over you justifying antisemitism towards Palestinians. People with your attitude are what create those who commit terrorism.

Victim blaming. The only people responsible for terrorism are the terrorist themselves.

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" And the period of history under the control of any one religious group has been longer under Islam than Judaism, so on that from the Muslim Arabs of the levant/Palestine have greater claim to the area than Jews from different continents entirely."

I'm a Saudi Arabian gay woman. Let me ask you a simple question: If the right to exist in a particular place on earth is, as you suggest, correlated by
(cf) longest period 'under control of any one religious group ' then since the Dutch and British Empires violently Christianised S Africa for
nearly 250 years. (the longest period it knew any religion) then your logic dictates it should have remained that way - you think Nelson Mandela should
only have been released if he had respected his Christian-apartheid captors? Do you think I, as a Saudi-born gay woman have no claim to live anywhere since I'm in a tiny minority ... should I be stateless?
You cannot hide your anti-Israel rhetoric under such a weak premise.

Do you support the two state solution, or do you believe in the elimination of Israel? I look forward to your thoughts.

I WITH TO DRAW THIS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE REPLY BY Zamestaneh TO THE ATTENTION OF MODERATORS:

IN HIS REPLY, HE ADMITS HE DIDN'T READ MY POST, IMMEDIATELY FORGETS THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND INSTEAD

SUBSTITUTES A DISGUSTING CHILDISH & OFFENSIVE ' USED TOILET PAPER' JOKE.

As a Saudi Arabian woman and serious-minded student I'm hoping you'll moderate his sneering and deliberately offensive reply.

If you have a genuine complaint about someone's post then use the report feature, but I can tell you right now that trying to publicly weaponise the moderators and derail a debate like this is absolutely against the rules.

I WITH TO DRAW THIS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE REPLY BY Zamestaneh TO THE ATTENTION OF MODERATORS:

IN HIS REPLY, HE ADMITS HE DIDN'T READ MY POST, IMMEDIATELY FORGETS THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND INSTEAD

SUBSTITUTES A DISGUSTING CHILDISH & OFFENSIVE ' USED TOILET PAPER' JOKE.

As a Saudi Arabian woman and serious-minded student I'm hoping you'll moderate his sneering and deliberately offensive reply.

Guys quick question, correct me if I’m wrong. But why is there so much news coverage about Israel getting attacked. But it’s been happening to Palestine for ages?

Again correct me if I’m wrong before I get attacked 😅

No beheaded babies or rapes took place (this was misinformation).

I WITH TO DRAW THIS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE REPLY BY Zamestaneh TO THE ATTENTION OF MODERATORS:

I will just put it here

https://twitter.com/nasdaily/status/1711146561487425961

The salty butthurt comments underneath really do make for some entertaining morning reading

No beheaded babies or rapes took place (this was misinformation).

As Tsun Tzu said:

"All warfare is based on deception."

"Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be
roused to anger; that there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards."

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting."

Innocents were still killed no doubt but details are exacerbated in war (throw back to GCSE History propaganda examples of babies on German bayonets) in order to further dehumanise the enemy or delegitimise their real grievencs, all to further isolate them.

Israel has been doing this for years with its propaganda machine to make sure crimes and terror against Israelis and Jews is overreported, and crimes and terror against Palestinians is underreported, e.g. killing journalists, Mossad harassing pro-Palestinian activists abroad, using lobby groups and weaponising party funding and connections to attack the reputation of anyone who criticises Israel by conflating anti-zionism with antisemitism, positioning itself as a free country (though it is itself an antisemitic apartheid state), bombing the only media broadcasting building in Ghaza as it was "being used by Hamas" (without proof), etc.

Shaping public perception stripping the Palestinian cause of legimacy or sympathy is a key tool in the arsenal of Israel.

Also there is an exit route to Egypt - the Palestinians are not trapped.

Yeah some of the comments are bad to put it mildly.

Meh, looks like the OP of the tweet is unbothered and he's spitting facts tbh. Israel isn't going anywhere and that's simply the truth of the matter, and it also looks like Israel could pummel every other ME Muslim country into the dirt, that's how much stronger and superior it is. So I do think sooner or later a two state solution will have to be found.