modesty is such an ugly trait

Yeah but there is such a fine line between confidence and arrogance that confidence is often misinterpreted as arrogance which is why people feel the need to be modest.
But like I said before it is wrong that people are forced to be modest when they have a talent, just because they don't want to appear arrogant.

What?

You can be confident and modest at the same time.

i'm sure you can. i said almost invariably. This is my opinion.

i hate modesty. i have always thought that people who have talents or good fortune should be proud of that....it is unfair, illogical and self destuctive that our society thinks people should basically be embarassed about their strengths...it's an insult to the brilliant and a terrible message to send to the young.

why should you be modest? how can it be a good thing to play yourself down just to make less talented people feel better? this is unnatural and stupid and annoys me.

''people with money never talk about it''....this is often said by poor people to make them feel better about wealthy people who have dared to be at all proud of their achievments, how darew they, it proves that modesty is only a way of making less able people feel better. personally, i think this is horrible. modesty is ugly and the clever, wealthy, successful and such should have the right to be proud about their greatness and feel free to shout it from the rooftops.

envy is an equally disgusting trait and it is the driving force between the pressure on people to be modest imo.

i hate modesty. i have always thought that people who have talents or good fortune should be proud of that....it is unfair, illogical and self destuctive that our society thinks people should basically be embarassed about their strengths...it's an insult to the brilliant and a terrible message to send to the young.

You don't get it.
Modesty isn't about being embarrassed about your achievements, it's about having the common sense not to be arrogant about it and shove it in people's faces.

Basically, I think you're wrong about everything you've said. You do realise that talent does not equate to success or future success? You think that luck doesn't exist in the world? Why would you feel a need to express how wealthy you are in the first place? If it makes you feel better than everyone else then the simple fact is that you are not rich in comparison to the rest of the world whatsoever. The rich people of the world don't have to tell people they are rich, because it is already a well known fact. Only the wannnabes boast about their wealth.

You don't get it.
Modesty isn't about being embarrassed about your achievements, it's about having the common sense not to be arrogant about it and shove it in people's faces.

i know talent and success dont always equate. you can still be proud of either or both at the same time.

i've already accepted that you can be wealthy through luck. but i dont think people should be made to feel bad about that luck. as a very poor individual indeed i think that if somebody is lucky enough to inherit great wealth then that luck should not be taken away from them or derided just to appease the less fortunate. so what if they are rich kids? ******* good for them lol how can that be a bad thing? would you rather they were poor? that's a bit like starving the western world because africa is a poor country with little food...rather than trying to find a way to make africa bettr off

you don't get it.

I am not saying anything needs to be shoved down anyone's throats.

i'm saying that it is silly when people are scared to even touch any reference to their brightness, success or talent/skills in public with a bargepole because they are terrfied of being called arrogant when they are actually just confident. i actually said in a post that when confidence becomes a harmful arrogance it is not a good thing. i think you and others are taking what i said to an extreme rather than observing the limits i have said should exist to it.

i think modesty is a socially induced form of emabrrass or shame. in the sense that we are told by british society that if you are talented or successful you must be modest....this is a form of shame/embarrassment, albeit an unnatural one (as it is a result of toehr people's attiudes and not the individuals intrinsic feeling)

That's why people think Jose Mourinho is a cock.

He is. Might go down in southern europe but it's a bit sad up here saying I'm the special one.

Modesty is a very British trait, it's part of our culture. We're loosening up a bit with all the American influences now thattechnology is so widespread, which as you say is probably a good thing, but a little modesty is a good thing to have, surely?