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Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

Reply 680

Tycho

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Original post by MatureStudent36

...and if yiu resd my other posts

I'll certainly try.

Reply 681

breenm

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I haven't read a lot about this topic, but the answer is that if the majority of the Scottish people want independence, then they should have it, however, I do not see how they would survive on their own, but at least it means less Labour seats lol :P

Reply 682

MatureStudent36

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Original post by breenm

I haven't read a lot about this topic, but the answer is that if the majority of the Scottish people want independence, then they should have it, however, I do not see how they would survive on their own, but at least it means less Labour seats lol :P

The problem is the majority of the scottish electorate don't want seperation. The SNP is just very good at portraying itself as representing the voice of the scottish nation.... They don't. It's just powerful rhetoric.

Reply 683

Left Hand Drive

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21564947

Investment in the North Sea is the highest for 30 years and rising, according to a report by an oil and gas trade body.

Companies looking for offshore energy invested £11.4bn in 2012, said Oil and Gas UK, which comprises more than 320 companies active in the area.

That will rise to £13bn this year, it predicted.

Please do not listen to the scare stories fellow Scots

Reply 684

forfrosne

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I think it would benefit Scotland and that the UK would miss out. We need to give them an offer that is better than their option of leaving, because they have enough natural resources, infrastructure and political democracy to most likely surpass us, as all we have is the financial sector which is failing too. If I was Scottish I would be voting "Yes."

Original post by Left Hand Drive

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21564947

Please do not listen to the scare stories fellow Scots

Of course not. We can all live in a socialist Utopian dream paid for by oil and following Irelands failed economic model.

We can ignore all of our shared history so as not to share the black stuff with the evil English. (you'd be suprised how many insular minded people there are throughout the world with that fanatsy in their minds)

Has Alex managed to ensure Shetland doesn't decide to follow the war cry of 'It's Shetlands Oil.'

Can we identified who's paying for the decommissioning of all of the old oil rigs?

Can we consider that the investment is needed because as we all know that easy stuff has been got out?

Can we hear the sound of the 'It's Lancashires Shale Gas.' about to stir?

Sadly, the SNP have been caught out time and time again prooving that oil isn't go to help us all that much. I'd rather we have a balanced economy and stop living in the past where the evil English did us over but we gave them a good shoeing at Bannockburn.

Reply 687

MatureStudent36

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Original post by forfrosne

I think it would benefit Scotland and that the UK would miss out. We need to give them an offer that is better than their option of leaving, because they have enough natural resources, infrastructure and political democracy to most likely surpass us, as all we have is the financial sector which is failing too. If I was Scottish I would be voting "Yes."

Then you're being a tad niave

Try not to come on here and gauge what's going on. Have a look at the opinion polls and you can see that the SNP's seperatist dream based on medievial history isn't half as popular as they like to make out. they rarely get above 30%

Reply 688

MatureStudent36

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Original post by Left Hand Drive

Where as Salmond is a bastion of virtue? How many Porkies has he been called out on recently.

The Oil is Running out, and I'd expect any Prime Minister to be banging the drum for any British Industry be it Welsh, Northern Irish, Scottish or English.

Reply 689

L i b

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Original post by Left Hand Drive

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21564947

Please do not listen to the scare stories fellow Scots

Oil prices are predicted to drop from the high they are currently at. Either way, oil is a nice thing to have, but when 20% of your tax revenue is based on the value of a heavily fluctuating commodity, you've got problems. It's not like we're skimming money off the top either: even with a full share of this oil money, Scotland still has a heavy deficit to deal with.

If you wish to debate this solely in terms of rhetoric, cheap one-liners and dismissing everyone with a contrary view as "scaremongering" go right ahead. The benefits of a balanced economy speak for themselves.

Reply 690

MatureStudent36

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Original post by L i b

Oil prices are predicted to drop from the high they are currently at. Either way, oil is a nice thing to have, but when 20% of your tax revenue is based on the value of a heavily fluctuating commodity, you've got problems. It's not like we're skimming money off the top either: even with a full share of this oil money, Scotland still has a heavy deficit to deal with.

If you wish to debate this solely in terms of rhetoric, cheap one-liners and dismissing everyone with a contrary view as "scaremongering" go right ahead. The benefits of a balanced economy speak for themselves.

Ever noticed how there's always some argument that pulls at the heart strings when oil is involved?
it recently happened to the tribes in Libya. I was reading up on the Texas succession ist movement who low a behold became active after oil was discovered. It's also happening in new Zealand in South Island, Western Australia, vietnam, Venezuela.

i guess it's the belief of free money.

How long till Lancashire goes for it? London could go for it as they're taking it in and having to share it?

libs. What's the impact on oil prices with these new oil fields discovered in the pacific and the global shale boom?

Reply 691

forfrosne

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Original post by MatureStudent36

Then you're being a tad niave

Try not to come on here and gauge what's going on. Have a look at the opinion polls and you can see that the SNP's seperatist dream based on medievial history isn't half as popular as they like to make out. they rarely get above 30%

Did you actually read what I wrote? Basic English. I never said that they are likely to vote for independence, I said that it would be in their interests to.

Reply 692

MatureStudent36

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Original post by forfrosne

Did you actually read what I wrote? Basic English. I never said that they are likely to vote for independence, I said that it would be in their interests to.

Er. No it's not. I generally take the viewpoint that if you're not involved in this keep your opinions to yourself.

i know it's a bit harsh. But we have very insular minded people up here who are in a minority harking back to over 300 years ago.

The only winners in this are a few politicians who's egos are slightly larger than their capabilities.

Reply 693

hendycfc

Original post by Joeman560

It's bad. Nothing good will come of it, especially for Scotland. Also I dislike Alex Salmond.

Salmonds campaign is based on nothing but lies and fudged figures, he hates England so much he would destroy his own country to be away from it. He is openly racist and gets away with it and even encourages racism in his supporters.

Hahahahahahahahhaha.

Where do you even get this stuff?

Reply 694

MatureStudent36

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Original post by hendycfc

Hahahahahahahahhaha.

Where do you even get this stuff?

We've see have seen an increase in anti English violence.

he's not a racist , but his rhetoric does get the blood up of the none to bright in society. (Normally seen talking about historic events 300 Years ago, jabbering on about some percentages and likening us to anybody other than ourselves.normally not well travelled either)

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Reply 695

Midlander

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I would love a poll among Scots along the lines of:

'Would you rather see Scotland win or England lose?'

No doubt the latter would prevail.

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Reply 696

a729

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Scotland would be unwise to lose ties with London. Who would fund Scotland's poorer regions (or to stop Glasgow been the murder capital of Europe?!- making London look good!)? Would Scotland get a bail out from rest of UK/England if the government overestimated oil revenues and overspent by too much?
What would happen with the monarchy -would the Queen be Queen of Scotland ?
Would Wales,Northern Ireland and eventually England declare independence?
Would would happen to the beloved GREAT British pound? I don't want the euro! (If we got a chance to have an EU referendum I'd be glad!)
How much of the national deficit would Scotland take on?
What would happen to the BBC? Would it split into SBC, WBC and EBC? Would it just be privatised and the TV license (effectively a TV tax) be abolished?
Would I need my passport to go to Glasgow 2018 youth games (if they win)??

Scotland would still have to rely on England for military protection-also would Scotland be able to afford to maintain public services such as the NHS when the in the North sea( some say England could have a claim on some portion of the revenues).Also the North of England (Lanchasire) has a lot of shale gas which just been discovered and is said to be worth billions!
Also London arguably could have a better chance of thriving alone (with a higher population than Scotland and possibly even has a bigger economy).

http://scotspolitics.com/uncategorized1/why-im-voting-no-for-scottish-independence (intresting viewpoint from a scottish lady)

Interestingly England is the only part which doesn't have it own parliament/assembly so it would be good to see this addressed- after all the English get the worst deal with tuition fees!

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Reply 697

a729

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Potentially a more federal UK government might be a good solution with greater autonomy for regions such as London (and the Home Counties) ,Wales ,Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Anyhow if Scotland got independence-it would be interesting to see how many people crossed the border- would thousands flee south towards London while they could or would thousands head up north looking for elusive oil money?