Christian B&amp;B owners sued over refusing gay guests can now turn away gay couples

It's their property, if they don't want to let gay couples into their home then they shouldn't be forced to.

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Bluffroom

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Original post by Miracle Day

It's their property, if they don't want to let gay couples into their home then they shouldn't be forced to.

You aren't allowed to refuse service to anybody based on sexuality, ethnicity etc. It's the law, so yes they should abide it or stop running the B&B.

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Original post by Bluffroom

You aren't allowed to refuse service to anybody based on sexuality, ethnicity etc. It's the law, so yes they should abide it or stop running the B&B.

And they said we were a free country.

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Pinkhead

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I wonder if I can do the same with black people?
:rolleyes:

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Ruffiio

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Original post by Miracle Day

It's their property, if they don't want to let gay couples into their home then they shouldn't be forced to.

I agree. Please rate some other members before rating this member again. :confused:

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pjm600

Original post by Miracle Day

And they said we were a free country.

So if I refused to let black people into my shop would that be ok?

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Original post by pjm600

So if I refused to let black people into my shop would that be ok?

So I refused to let black people into my home would that be ok?

FTFY.

Yes it would be. It's your home.

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username129099

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The issue being, turning away black people or fat people has no basis other than you just being a dick. Turning away gay/trans people not because they are dicks its because their religions, the religion of our state has anti LGBT views.

The issue isn't with the people, its with their beliefs. You come to a point where you have to force business owners to do something against their beliefs , which has far reaching ramifications for other situations, or you defend their rights. A present both sides have rights, which clash.

Tbh, they are in such a minority they should make them put up a sign saying no gay people or such. Then just as I would if a hotel said "no jews" I wouldn't take my business there. They can exercise their beliefs with all the customers they don't have.

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Original post by doggyfizzel

The issue being, turning away black people or fat people has no basis other than you just being a dick. Turning away gay/trans people not because they are dicks its because their religions, the religion of our state has anti LGBT views.

The issue isn't with the people, its with their beliefs. You come to a point where you have to force business owners to do something against their beliefs , which has far reaching ramifications for other situations, or you defend their rights. A present both sides have rights, which clash.

Tbh, they are in such a minority they should make them put up a sign saying no gay people or such. Then just as I would if a hotel said "no jews" I wouldn't take my business there. They can exercise their beliefs with all the customers they don't have.

I love it when I'm not clever enough to word something, and then someone does it for me <3

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pjm600

Original post by Miracle Day

So I refused to let black people into my home would that be ok?

FTFY.

Yes it would be. It's your home.

No, you haven't fixed it, you've changed it. In this case it is their business premises, from which they specifically exclude homosexual couples. They refuse service to homosexual couples, it doesn't matter if they live there or not, they are discriminating.

I'll present the question again. If, instead of homosexual couples, a business refused service to a black couple, would that be acceptable?

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Original post by pjm600

No, you haven't fixed it, you've changed it. In this case it is their business premises, from which they specifically exclude homosexual couples. They refuse service to homosexual couples, it doesn't matter if they live there or not, they are discriminating.

I'll present the question again. If, instead of homosexual couples, a business refused service to a black couple, would that be acceptable?

There is a big difference between letting someone into your home to stay and letting someone into a shop. Even into a hotel.

And, as Doggyfizzel states.. you can't compare the grounds of race and sexuality so your point is invalid anyway.

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Mad Vlad

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Original post by Bluffroom

Link to the article

"A Christian couple who broke equality laws when they refused to let a gay couple stay in a double room in their bed and breakfast will now be able to legally turn away homosexual couples after becoming a not-for-profit organisation."

So the small minded B&B owners are once again turning gay couples again, now by converting it into a Christian respite care center. It's crazy in this day and age.

And there was me thinking that being a hotelier was about about being hospitable.

Original post by Miracle Day

It's their property, if they don't want to let gay couples into their home then they shouldn't be forced to.

Disagree. Sexuality, race, religion, skin colour, disability and gender identity are all things that people can discriminate on. It's unthinkable that, as pjm600 said, a commercial entity would refuse to serve someone because they're black, so what makes sexual orientation any different?

Original post by Miracle Day

And they said we were a free country.

There's such a thing as having too much freedom...

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pjm600

Original post by Miracle Day

There is a big difference between letting someone into your home to stay and letting someone into a shop. Even into a hotel.

And, as Doggyfizzel states.. you can't compare the grounds of race and sexuality so your point is invalid anyway.

While I sort of agree with your first point, in this case the premises is indeed their business; it's name is the Chymorvah Hotel.

However, if the owners are being truthful and the discrimination was really based on the fact that they weren't married, and they would accept a married homosexual couple, I don't see anything wrong here.

Original post by doggyfizzel

The issue being, turning away black people or fat people has no basis other than you just being a dick. Turning away gay/trans people not because they are dicks its because their religions, the religion of our state has anti LGBT views.

Hypothetically, if my religion dictated that I should not let black people share the same room, would I be within my rights to refuse them that room?

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Mad Vlad

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Original post by Miracle Day

There is a big difference between letting someone into your home to stay and letting someone into a shop. Even into a hotel.

And, as Doggyfizzel states.. you can't compare the grounds of race and sexuality so your point is invalid anyway.

I fail to see why this is invalid. Why can you not compare race and sexual orientation when talking about discrimination?

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Bluffroom

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Original post by Mad Vlad

And there was me thinking that being a hotelier was about about being hospitable.

Disagree. Sexuality, race, religion, skin colour, disability and gender identity are all things that people can discriminate on. It's unthinkable that, as pjm600 said, a commercial entity would refuse to serve someone because they're black, so what makes sexual orientation any different?

There's such a thing as having too much freedom...

Well you'd be surprised, I thought that restauranteurs were about serving food to customers, I was wrong too. I also realised that I managed to forget putting the word 'away' in one of the sentences so it looks like they are doing some kind of recruiting/conversion :facepalm2:

- will have to edit that :lol:

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ANARCHY__

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Here's the happy couple!

Gosh, what a friendly looking place!

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Original post by Mad Vlad

I fail to see why this is invalid. Why can you not compare race and sexual orientation when talking about discrimination?

I'm referring only to this context. I agree entirely with the post in which I was quoting. Feel free to debate with him.

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