MH17 flight down in Ukraine

The Ukrainian government has complete air superiority, they have no reason whatsoever to be shooting down aircraft as the separatists don't have any. The separatists on the other hand have been actively shooting down aircraft in Eastern Ukraine, their motive is clear, they thought it was a Ukrainian military plane.

Yep.... it's suggested the Pro-Russian separatists may have shot it down....

They'll instantly loose all support in russia if that's actually the case.

Not that I necessarily believe it to be true, but the Ukrainian "government" could have done it for malicious reasons and with intent, i.e. shoot it down because it just happened to be a passing plane, the have no clear motive so it must have been the separatists. I'm more willing to buy into the "accidents happen in war" argument.

Definitely never using Malaysian Airlines.

Why were they flying over what is basically a war-zone anyway?

Seems to belong to the Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations.

The Ukrainian Government has complete air superiority, they have no reason whatsoever to be shooting down aircraft as the separatists don't have any. The separatists on the other hand have been actively shooting down aircraft in Eastern Ukraine, their motive is clear, they thought it was a Ukrainian military plane.

So no one is at fault then?

Clearly those who shot it down were negligent either way.

I guess you're right, the airline can't be blamed, but after the missing plane incident it doesn't look good for them.

Not that I necessarily believe it to be true, but the Ukrainian "government" could have done it for malicious reasons and with intent, i.e. shoot it down because it just happened to be a passing plane, the have no clear motive so it must have been the separatists. I'm more willing to buy into the "accidents happen in war" argument.

It has been reported that the crash is in Pro-Russian forces hands and that, while they have recovered the flight data recorder, they will only hand it over to the Russians, so they'll be on their way to colelct them.

Of course, that could be just what they want us to think...



There is also reported speculation that it was mistaken for a Russian Governmental airliner - Putin's equivalent of Air Force 1 has quite similar proportions and very similar paintwork.

Wildly speculating on incredibly unlikely events is not good journalism, I can't see any reason for suggesting that it is.

It has been reported that the crash is in Pro-Russian forces hands and that, while they have recovered the flight data recorder, they will only hand it over to the Russians, so they'll be on their way to colelct them.

Of course, that could be just what they want us to think...



There is also reported speculation that it was mistaken for a Russian Governmental airliner - Putin's equivalent of Air Force 1 has quite similar proportions and very similar paintwork.

If I wanted to read things like these I'd go on the Daily Mail.

No, it's probably not a false flag attack.

Civilians. Why is it ever okay? Not just on MH17, but in the Middle East, Iran 655, Pan Am 103, Korean 7, 9/11, 7/7, everywhere. Sickening.

There is also reported speculation that it was mistaken for a Russian Governmental airliner - Putin's equivalent of Air Force 1 has quite similar proportions and very similar paintwork.

I'm assuming you're talking about MH370 ... but these are two very different scenarios that are totally independent on one another: one plane was lost at sea, the other was shot down by someone.

It's going to be a game changer over there if it was shot down.

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At +33 000 ft it's a bit harder to distinguish colour, isn't it.

I could see the FDR being a negotiating tool, however it would also be slightly suicidal of them to hold on to it to negotiate with. As for the second point, I can't think of anything more stupid for the Ukrainian "government" to do. Even if it were unauthorised one could claim it was an assassination attempt against Putin, and given that it would likely have countermeasures it would likely survive the trip to Russian airspace.

That would be even worse for the Ukrainians than shooting down a passenger plane. It would result in a nothing less than a full scale invasion. Would Putin not have an escort of fighter jets when he travels as well?

That would be even worse for the Ukrainians than shooting down a passenger plane. It would result in a nothing less than a full scale invasion. Would Putin not have an escort of fighter jets when he travels as well?

If it's proven that Russia did it, as seems likely, then the consequences will be dramatic. Apart from any other consideration, if there were Chinese citizens on the plane, I wonder what China's reaction will be?

Doesn't really matter. You'll still see a lot of people avoiding them from now on