Islamic asylum seekers in Germany threaten to kill Christians

Original post by Ascend

No, that is not my primary concern.

There are no doubts problems in such communities but to dehumanise and brand the entire population of refugees as the "enemy" is bigoted and, dare I say, uncivilised for such a wonderfully civilised person you aspire to be.

You quite literally sound like Donald Trump with his "Mexicans are coming to murder and rape us" rhetoric.

White people and Super Civilised Westerners regularly commit many horrific crimes and on quite grand scales. I await your hysteria in deeming the entire white race as vile sub-human scum.

Look, another lefty moaning about "dehumanising". Let us make this simple shall we;
when this lot start acting human I will start seeing them as human. No ifs, no buts, no leftie claptrap.

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Original post by Good bloke

Horde is not derogatory, and if you think it is that says more about you than it does about the word's meaning. If you don't believe me, see what Collins has to say:

I see your scrape of the barrel Collins and raise you Oxford:

noun
1. chiefly derogatory A large group of people

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/horde

Secondly, most of these people are not asylum seekers; they are economic migrants, and most, 72%, don't even come from Syria (they come from the Balkans or Afghanistan), and a huge proportion are rejected as asylum seekers by Germany. This applies to about half of them, apparently.

This is irrelevant and technically false as I am addressing the topic at hand which refers to "Islamic asylum seekers" and there are undoubtedly a great number of them coming out of many disaster areas.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/09/economist-explains-4

Original post by Lady Comstock

Why is it the first and only thing (apart from the post I am replying to) you post in the thread?

Because I felt like it and didn't feel like musing about anything else in this thread. Would it make you sleep better tonight if I told you that language is my primary concern? Language is my primary concern, in any tragic situation (it's what make the situations tragic).

(edited 8 years ago)

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Original post by Gears265

Regardless, Germany has proved one thing and one thing only. Their goals have not changed. They want to control Europe by instating their right hand man Junker (through back room deals), dictating EU policy and imposing their will on Europe by federalising it. Then they are happy to cripple it as they have in recent months. I pray to god Germany suffer, I would of been willing to accept them after WW2 but the formation and development of the EU has only proved they are still a vile group of people.

The German people will suffer enough due to the migrants they have. The Holocaust was wrong because good people were terrorised by barbarians and the government didn't just stand by; it supported the evil.

In Europe right now good people are being terrorised by barbarians and the governments are again supporting it.

That said, if this migration situation continues past this election I am leaving the country as soon as possible (so getting a job abroad as a priority). I already avoid many parts of London due to it being an absolute dump-the whole country will be this way in my lifetime.
In many years when we need more migrants then let in anyone but the troublesome group, the one that hates the kuffars. All the other groups are generally peaceful and tolerant. This one group wants Shariah law and I would prefer to die than live in the Middle East style nation they want.

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Original post by i<3milkshake

I provided the stats for you. Muslims have a literal monopoly in French jails. In Sweden good luck needing a policeman, or ambulance, in the ghettos. They are not fellow humans, they are criminals and thugs. White, brown or alien species, be a criminal and to me you are sub-human, and sub-animal as well.

Making things up? lol. You quickly learn on here who is simply not worth going in to detail with. You want sources and stats? I have posted many on this forum, run a search. Terror stats as well-I have spoke of that before.

What did the main Muslim charity say about the Calais migrants? It withdrew fundign saying they were economic migrants. This latest benefit horde, passing safe countries to get to the UK and Germany; likewise.

Oh, and this perfectly explains your "running from" idea. If the above facts that these people are not refugees didn't already;
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/61/61eac5709f9bf0e7423675303c5459ff125364ba6af57a12191c62c64feb17a4.jpg

You can't be serious. A meme? You think a meme can "explain" the situation in the Middle East? You need a history lesson mate, and you say I'm "not worth going into detail with." Get over yourself, you don't have a clue.

Sorry, who exactly is the "main Muslim charity"? What platform does this charity have to dictate whether millions of people are economic migrants or not? I don't believe for a second that there is a single legitimate concern against these people coming here, just your petty right wing excuses trying to scaremonger people into your view. Nobody's listening anymore mate.

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Original post by Ascend

I see your scrape of the barrel Collins and raise you Oxford:

noun
1. chiefly derogatory A large group of people

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/horde

Oh goody, I love terms of venery.

All the times I've spent with friends in the pub trying to outdo each other with our knowledge of collective nouns... a colony of ants, a flock of birds, a congregation of alligators, a troop of baboons, a caravan of camels, a clutch of chickens, an array of hedgehogs.

There are some awesome collective nouns for professions. A huddle of lawyers, or a disputation of lawyers. The funniest one I heard is "an abomination of monks".

What do you think should be some collective nouns for refugees/asylum seekers? This could be quite a fun game.

A Rip-Off of Refugees.
A Swindle of Stateless Persons
A Fleece of Foreigners
A Bamboozle of Boat People
A Dupe of Displaced Persons
A Delude of Defectors

Not bad, eh?

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Original post by okey

You can't be serious. A meme? You think a meme can "explain" the situation in the Middle East? You need a history lesson mate, and you say I'm "not worth going into detail with." Get over yourself, you don't have a clue.

Sorry, who exactly is the "main Muslim charity"? What platform does this charity have to dictate whether millions of people are economic migrants or not? I don't believe for a second that there is a single legitimate concern against these people coming here, just your petty right wing excuses trying to scaremonger people into your view. Nobody's listening anymore mate.

You need to look at a map, see the Muslim states and then think;
would I ever want to live there?
Even the rich ones like Dubai and Saudi Arabia are hell holes. In Dubai if a women is raped she needs four! male witnesses otherwise SHE gets arrested!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448

Dirty rape culture. As for Saudi Arabia...nevermind. I don't think you are the type who reads the news.

You tell me who the charity is-do your own homework. This is a fact-don't expect me to spoonfeed you. A simple google search can find you all the stats you need on these "refugees" who seem to pass up many safe countries. Look where these "refugees" are coming from; how many from the Balkans? A huge percentage? Not surprised.

Don't believe what you like; think all you like these are wonderful people; I don't care what TSR thinks, I care for what the general public think. Look how many lefties there are on TSR-yet in the real world the Tories got a majority and Corbyn has given them another even bigger one.

As for your "nobody is listening any more"; oh the irony. Actually, nobody is listening to your leftie claptrap any more. People are getting fed up all across Europe. Hungary and Slovakia have the migrant policy bang on; the rest of Europe wants the same. And they will fight for it;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34487562

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Original post by i<3milkshake

You need to look at a map, see the Muslim states and then think;
would I ever want to live there?
Even the rich ones like Dubai and Saudi Arabia are hell holes. In Dubai if a women is raped she needs four! male witnesses otherwise SHE gets arrested!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23381448

Dirty rape culture. As for Saudi Arabia...nevermind. I don't think you are the type who reads the news.

You tell me who the charity is-do your own homework. This is a fact-don't expect me to spoonfeed you. A simple google search can find you all the stats you need on these "refugees" who seem to pass up many safe countries. Look where these "refugees" are coming from; how many from the Balkans? A huge percentage? Not surprised.

Don't believe what you like; think all you like these are wonderful people; I don't care what TSR thinks, I care for what the general public think. Look how many lefties there are on TSR-yet in the real world the Tories got a majority and Corbyn has given them another even bigger one.

As for your "nobody is listening any more"; oh the irony. Actually, nobody is listening to your leftie claptrap any more. People are getting fed up all across Europe. Hungary and Slovakia have the migrant policy bang on; the rest of Europe wants the same. And they will fight for it;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34487562

Ok, let's take a look at what you've just replied. First, an article of one incident that occurred in Dubai, and suddenly this is representative of the wider Muslim world. No, that is representative of one incident that occurred in Dubai, nothing more nothing less. Same story for Saudi Arabia. Why does nobody mention Turkey, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, North Cyprus- just off the top of my head. Oh, it's because nothing has gone wrong in those countries. Moving on...

Second, you seem to have forgotten the name of the charity you're talking about, and have no statistics to hand to back up your illogical argument. Pretty standard for this forum anyway. And I'm the one who doesn't read the news?

Third, nobody is listening to my leftie "claptrap" apparently. You make out that half of Europe is sick of common sense, and then cite an article that proves immigrants to be attacked and abused in Germany. That backfired a bit...

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Original post by okey

Ok, let's take a look at what you've just replied. First, an article of one incident that occurred in Dubai, and suddenly this is representative of the wider Muslim world. No, that is representative of one incident that occurred in Dubai, nothing more nothing less. Same story for Saudi Arabia.

It's not one incident; he was drawing attention to the fact that a woman needs four witnesses under Islamic law to substantiate a rape. That is a systemic issue, not a single incident.

As for the rest, you are seriously denying that womens' rights are appalling in Saudi Arabia? Are you seriously denying that womens' rights are pretty much a joke across the Middle East? It is the worst place on earth to be a woman

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Original post by okey

Ok, let's take a look at what you've just replied. First, an article of one incident that occurred in Dubai, and suddenly this is representative of the wider Muslim world. No, that is representative of one incident that occurred in Dubai, nothing more nothing less. Same story for Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia has a horrible human rights record. What nonsense are you...nevermind. Some people are just a lost cause.
And as for Dubai; my link shows THE LAW. THE LAW. The law applies to all. It is an example of THE LAW. Honestly, you think it only applies to one person? Just plain lol. Shariah law, the culture and customs of Muslim values, apply to all who live under them. Or should I say are victims of them.
Why does nobody mention Turkey, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, North Cyprus- just off the top of my head. Oh, it's because nothing has gone wrong in those countries. Moving on...
I mentioned Turkey. And the other nations don't try and invade AND kill us. Sure, Assad is horrible. But he won't attack me. He is entitled to his own uncivilised culture-but don't try and replace my civlised one. Sadly, that is what the hundreds of no go areas in Europe have seen-a hostile take over determined to bring civilised life to its knees in favour of the stone age.
Second, you seem to have forgotten the name of the charity you're talking about, and have no statistics to hand to back up your illogical argument. Pretty standard for this forum anyway. And I'm the one who doesn't read the news?
Use google. Honestly, do you need spoon feeding like an ickle licke baby? Aww sweetie, just use google. And search on this forum and this thread for stats you need; there are plenty there. I'm not spoon feeding you-the information is clearly available so go get it. Again, said example I have about said charity is a fact. Don't like it? Fine. Don't bother googling it. Google the sex abuse/prison stats for Europe and in particular France, the no go area situation while you are at it. I can give more examples-but search for them first. Let us allow the baby to take baby steps here.

Third, nobody is listening to my leftie "claptrap" apparently. You make out that half of Europe is sick of common sense, and then cite an article that proves immigrants to be attacked and abused in Germany. That backfired a bit...

Backfired? How? Again, shows the leftie claptrap in full flow. The author might make that point, but the stats you beg for show that more and more don't see it that way; more and more see it not as attacks and abuse but as defence and preventing the abuse (including sexual-see my Sweden rape stats :smile:

) of their culture.

That must have backfired. I'm tired of your leftie claptrap to be honest-you refuse to use google, to use the search on here;

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Original post by i<3milkshake

Backfired? How? Again, shows the leftie claptrap in full flow. The author might make that point, but the stats you beg for show that more and more don't see it that way; more and more see it not as attacks and abuse but as defence and preventing the abuse (including sexual-see my Sweden rape stats :smile:

) of their culture.

That must have backfired. I'm tired of your leftie claptrap to be honest-you refuse to use google, to use the search on here;

It's astonishing that okey thought that your article was just a single instance, rather than pointing out the systemic issues of Islamic law devaluing the testimony of women.

It's also laughable that she defended Saudi Arabia and denied that womens' rights in the Middle East are a joke.

I would jump in to say not all lefties are useful idiots for Islamofascists. I'm a Fabian socialist (though as I said on another thread, a friend calls me a Burkean socialist due to my soft spot for the American alliance, Trident, public schools and the House of Lords).

But I am also on the side of the New Atheists like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. We are of the centre-left, but we are also consistently opposed to all forms of fascism, especially Islamofascism.

It is unfortunate many on the left are so obsessed with being PC that they are willing to go against left-wing causes like womens' rights and gay rights simply to gain points with Islamofascists. But it is not all of us. Some of us are fighting these "regressive leftists"

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Original post by SignFromDog

It's not one incident; he was drawing attention to the fact that a woman needs four witnesses under Islamic law to substantiate a rape. That is a systemic issue, not a single incident.

As for the rest, you are seriously denying that womens' rights are appalling in Saudi Arabia? Are you seriously denying that womens' rights are pretty much a joke across the Middle East? It is the worst place on earth to be a woman

What exactly is Islamic law? If you're talking about Sharia Law, then maybe you can show me where exactly it says that. Sharia Law is a concept that is constantly debated in the Muslim world, and there is no concrete book of it- so to make a claim as to what it entails is pointless as it is not agreed by Muslims what it entails. However, I do happen to have a copy of the most widely agreed "Sharia Law" (which doesn't say anything of that sort)- I can send it to you if you'd like to read it for the first time. So no, that is a single incident.

I don't know where you got it from that I'm denying the lack of women's rights in the Middle East- because I don't. There is no doubt that there is serious work to be done there. But the problem presents itself when you try to link this to Islam. This isn't an Islamic problem, it's a Saudi Arabian problem etc. There are many Muslim countries (in fact most) which do not exhibit this behaviour. Many of them have had more female head of states that the US.

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Original post by SignFromDog

It's astonishing that okey thought that your article was just a single instance, rather than pointing out the systemic issues of Islamic law devaluing the testimony of women.

It's also laughable that she defended Saudi Arabia and denied that womens' rights in the Middle East are a joke.

I would jump in to say not all lefties are useful idiots for Islamofascists. I'm a Fabian socialist (though as I said on another thread, a friend calls me a Burkean socialist due to my soft spot for the American alliance, Trident, public schools and the House of Lords).

But I am also on the side of the New Atheists like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. We are of the centre-left, but we are also consistently opposed to all forms of fascism, especially Islamofascism.

It is unfortunate many on the left are so obsessed with being PC that they are willing to go against left-wing causes like womens' rights and gay rights simply to gain points with Islamofascists. But it is not all of us. Some of us are fighting these "regressive leftists"

This. I don't have the patience to explain it to them since they are truly a lost cause, but thank you for saying this for me.

You may say some lefties are fighting it, but looking at the way Labour and the Green's have gone the decent lefties have lost that particular battle.

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Original post by i<3milkshake

Backfired? How? Again, shows the leftie claptrap in full flow. The author might make that point, but the stats you beg for show that more and more don't see it that way; more and more see it not as attacks and abuse but as defence and preventing the abuse (including sexual-see my Sweden rape stats :smile:

) of their culture.

That must have backfired. I'm tired of your leftie claptrap to be honest-you refuse to use google, to use the search on here;

You really haven't got a clue what you're on about have you?

If you can't make sense of basic English, I'll help you along a bit. There is no denying the issues present in Saudi Arabia and Dubai. However, those issues are problems for Saudi Arabia and Dubai- not Islam.

Sharia Law (as I said to the other person) is a concept that it being debated in the Muslim world (not that you know what that is). It seems that you seem to assume there are problems in other countries because of it. Sharia Law is optional to be applied to very specific circumstances (and it's debated what it even is.) You really have no argument.

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Original post by okey

What exactly is Islamic law? If you're talking about Sharia Law, then maybe you can show me where exactly it says that. Sharia Law is a concept that is constantly debated in the Muslim world, and there is no concrete book of it- so to make a claim as to what it entails is pointless as it is not agreed by Muslims what it entails. However, I do happen to have a copy of the most widely agreed "Sharia Law" (which doesn't say anything of that sort)- I can send it to you if you'd like to read it for the first time. So no, that is a single incident.

I don't know where you got it from that I'm denying the lack of women's rights in the Middle East- because I don't. There is no doubt that there is serious work to be done there. But the problem presents itself when you try to link this to Islam. This isn't an Islamic problem, it's a Saudi Arabian problem etc. There are many Muslim countries (in fact most) which do not exhibit this behaviour. Many of them have had more female head of states that the US.

I am sure many of them have had more female heads on stakes than the US. Don't disagree with you there for a second.

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Original post by okey

What exactly is Islamic law? If you're talking about Sharia Law, then maybe you can show me where exactly it says that.

Are you determined to embarrass yourself?

"And those who accuse chaste women and then do not produce four witnesses — lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after." [Quran 24:4]

This Quranic enactment is used for rape prosecutions.

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Original post by okey

You really haven't got a clue what you're on about have you?

If you can't make sense of basic English, I'll help you along a bit. There is no denying the issues present in Saudi Arabia and Dubai. However, those issues are problems for Saudi Arabia and Dubai- not Islam.

Sharia Law (as I said to the other person) is a concept that it being debated in the Muslim world (not that you know what that is). It seems that you seem to assume there are problems in other countries because of it. Sharia Law is optional to be applied to very specific circumstances (and it's debated what it even is.) You really have no argument.

Oh, the typical "it isn't Islam" response. Sure. Sure it isn't. There does seem to be a recurring theme at all here.

Here are some issues I posted in another thread; since the problem so obviously is not Islam, care to tell me what it is?

Original post by i<3milkshake

Europe is suffering a crime and in particular rape epidemic in Sweden and more recently Germany
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

Not even schoolchildren are safe
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/grade-school-girls-in-germany-ordered-to-cover-up-so-as-not-to-provoke-muslim-refugees/

Its prions are filling up in huge numbers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11352268/What-is-going-wrong-in-Frances-prisons.html

It is seeing no go areas in their hundreds
http://swedenreport.org/2015/05/18/police-yes-there-are-no-go-zones-in-sweden/

I could go on for hours. But despite what Europe is being subjected to, you stil have this victim complex? You STILL can't see why people may hold such views? Perhaps because said culture is wreaking havoc and turning parts of Europe into hell?

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Original post by SignFromDog

Are you determined to embarrass yourself?

This Quranic enactment is used for rape prosecutions.

1) Yes she is and 2) Interesting. It seems these nations take their law from the Quran.Thank you for providing a direct quote on the topic.

I mean in the UK we don't take our law from the bible thank god. Otherwise we would be just as backward as the previously discussed areas.

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Original post by i<3milkshake

This. I don't have the patience to explain it to them since they are truly a lost cause, but thank you for saying this for me.

You may say some lefties are fighting it, but looking at the way Labour and the Green's have gone the decent lefties have lost that particular battle.

We'll see. I am a staunch opponent of Corbyn's, but he hasn't seized the party completely as yet. Note the vote at conference to keep the party's current position on Trident (we support renewal).

There will be more battles down the road, but we are fighting the good fight. And I believe that in the end, the sensible leftists will regain control of the party because that is what the country as a whole wants.

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