Obama's Presidency Vote

The two in bold are a joke, right?

Do you have any evidence to the contrary...?

Race relations are visibly worse, but that's a good thing. Finally blacks are standing up for themselves, motivated by a black president, enabled by social media and video evidence of discrimination and racism.

This is laughably stupid. What 2008 injustices were 2008 black people standing up against? Friendly relationships with white people? Equal treatment under the law? Affirmative Action?

But "police brutality is a racial issue". No, it isn't. The myth of cops just hunting black kids for sport is so astronomically vapid it doesn't even bear rebuttal, a quick run-through of the police shootings we've all heard about since Trayvon Martin will find you a total of about four that were unjustified. Add to that the fact that minority officers shoot minorities more often that white officers, and you have a narrative which is total horseshit.

"Deteriorating race relations is a good thing" is almost unintelligibly dumb.



It means that the recovery from the Great Recession was exceptionally slow and weak, moreso than the recovery of the US from any economic downturn up to the Roosevelt Depression. It's a fairly simple statement.

You think there were friendly relationships with white people before? You think it's just about police brutality? What are the chances of being stopped by the police when you are black and when you are white? Do you honestly believe there is no racism in the US? What do you say to the studies that have proven that simply having a black name will get you less job interviews?

"I don't see a problem so there can't be a problem".

So you think it is acceptable to make a blanket comparison between two recessions and conclude "oh, recovery was slower there than there, clearly the presidents fault". What a wonderful way to come up with statements. Did you know in the 20s Germany had hyperinflation and in the 30s the economy suddenly boomed?

Very poor
ACA is going
Trouble in Iraq occurred after troops left
The negatives you said plus many more
Also more and more people were losing hope during his presidency and it lead to the highest suicide rate for 30 years

The troops in Iraq were already leaving under the Bush administration, he was just honouring international agreements already in place for that one.

Nobody says "no racism", that would be ridiculous. "No systemic or widespread racism" is correct though.

Stop and search statistics from when NYC did S&S were undersearched by police when you compare how often each demographic was searched compared to the crime rates of each demographic.

"Black" names isn't a racial thing, it's a cultural thing. And yes, the two are different. I'm more likely to give a job doing accounting to someone with a normal name (John, Alicia, Harry, Emily) than I am someone with a proposterous name like Shaniqua or LaTrell. Because, regardless of race, someone whose kid is named John or Alicia will have been raised by someone who cares about socialising their kid into broader society.

Katie Hopkins got a lot of crap for this, and she takes it to a ridiculous degree, but the principle is basically right. I wouldn't hire someone named Chardonnay or Destiny either.

So you are a racist but of yourself don't think you are, justifying it to yourself. Very much like Brexit/Trump voters. Bye now, I won't enable you.

The reason the civil rights "movement" seems stalled is not because of poor tactics but because there is no movement. The validity of the civil rights movement of the 60's was unquestioned because it was supported by virtualy every black person in the country. The inequality the blacks were having to endure was plain to anyone. Tens of millions of whites were sympathetic. Compare that to today. A handful of Anarchists calling themselves B.L.M.. They have no spokesman because no Black leader wants to be identified that closely to them.
The truth has finally sunk in that the biggest problem the black community has to overcome is the break-up of the family. Advocating for the nuclear family doesn't bring a lot of fame so it's probably going to be a while before a leader emerges who can bring concrete changes. Obama had a chance but he blew it.

There's a lot here, but I'll address what I can. I think the fact that Russia felt able to move into Syria and prop up Bashar Assad is proof that there was already a behind-the-scenes failure with his foreign policy. Race relations have actually been pretty good, up until Obama's second term. Courtesy of Gallup:



Leaving Iraq early was an immeasurably huge ****-up and Trump is right to say that Obama effectively created ISIS. Opening up to Cuba is a terrible policy from my point-of-view and from the points-of-view of the Cubans who fled Castro terror and set up shop in Florida.

This wasn't his fault though. The gun lobby fought him to a standstill

This wasn't his fault though. The gun lobby fought him to a standstill

He has no real positive lasting legacy, when the "things aren't too bad at the moment" effect he will plumet through the rankings to maybe middle of the second quartile. His lasting legacy (at least for the next 10-20 years) is going to be the mess that is the middle east

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I also think the issue is with the original Black rights movement you had laws written against them, they clearly had less rights so it was actually a movement where as BLM isn't challenging any laws but rather its challenging society and institutions to change their behaviour which is far more complex. I would say black people and white people have equal rights but do they get the same treatment from the police, courts, employers, etc., id say probably not. So in other words they're challenging an invisible force, the original rights movement knew what needed changing, they should be able to use the same bus seat, they should be able to get the same education, they should be entitled to the same rate of pay. I'm not sure if you get my point but it's like there's nothing written to say police should treat black people worse than white people.

I also think BLM has became too toxic thanks to social media and I'm glad Obama didn't get too into it. I don't remember Obama campaigning much for racial inequality, it's entrenched and unwritten so it's hard to tackle.