Stop saying trump is illegitimate becuase he lost the popular vote

thought you were implying we have one person = one vote with your london comment- nvm

our voting system is almost as retarded as America's voting system tbh

This is a much better argument, stop pretending the U.S. is a democracy and acknowledge that it is a federal republic. However, I don't think the argument underlying this arrangement would have much force today (unless you want to effectively equate the U.S. to Syria or Lebanon which reaches a partially undemocratic balance between representation and democracy - in the latter's case representation of ethnic/religious minorities, and in the former's case representation of those outside of California).

I don't think one person = one vote is fair but I do agree the power of the electoral college needs to be reduced

each state has a vastly different culture and priorities, wouldn't be fair to let the big states decide every president

Sanity reigns.

As I just said in my post, both sides knew the rules and how to play the electoral college system to their gain. Hillary supporters were happy that if Hillary won Florida irrespective of how trump did in other states pretty much couldnt win due to the number of votes Florida brings - and they didnt see a problem with it then..?

You cant go retroactively changing the rules of the game once its been played.

Imagine how Scotland feels after the direct election of brexit and being out voted by England.. that's how the small states would feel after EVERY pres. election.

Just stop! You need to read and understand what federalism is and realise it's not about individual representation. He won, now it's time to move forward. Your moaning is only helping him win a second term.

Scotland is a constituent country of the UK. The US states are, for the most part, just administrative divisions. Scotland existed as an independent country for nearly 900 years before it unified with England. The only remotely comparable US state is Hawaii.

Why does it matter to you?

What will youi do to people who dont stop?

Do you always order people about?

Becuase it's an uneducated belief. I won't do anything, I just wish people look at the other side of the tail and do what's best to fix their country not bringing it into deeper divisions. And I do my fair part, not as much as I'd like to though.

Fair enough I agree with the historic and identity aspect but that doesn't change the fact that the states can have culture just as differentiated as England and Scotland, look at how diverse American states are… from your cowboy, religious, traditionalist states like Texas to big city, liberal, modern states like California. You have different race populations, different religious populations and different industries which often reflects the state.

Not really, the US isn't that culturally diverse. The obvious markers like language and religion are far less fractionalised than in many other countries. The vast majority (~43) of the US states have a Protestant Christian plurality or majority. A few in the Northeast have a Catholic plurality instead, but the closest any US state comes to having a radically different religious makeup to the others is Mormon-dominated Utah. Linguistically, English is utterly dominant, being an official language in every state, while the number of states to have any other official language can be counted on one hand.

It doesn't matter, the fact that he lost the popular vote and yet gets elected shows a serious flaw in the Electoral College that needs to be fixed. In no event should the loser of a vote in terms of numbers, be the one that wins. It's a massive middle finger up to everyone by rejecting the majority of vote(r)s (who should under normal circumstances win).

I wouldn't say 'illegitimate' though, just a flawed system which, whilst was set up to try and make voting more fair, has led to this situation 4 times now.