Say no to Donald Trump's state visit to Britain

Half of which are duplicates.

Half of which are duplicates.

" Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom. "

The petition now has over a million signatures and climbing. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

It's a way to protest the visit of this racist-pandering neo-fascist to the UK. The dog-whistle politics, the infantilising of our prime minister, the random acts of stupidity, the willingness to not just climb into the gutter but get down there like a pig with a snout in it - I could go on, but we all know what Trump is like and what he represents.

Let's demonstrate that this isn't 'business as usual' and that the sight of him being feted by our politicians and being treated to the full royal is just too much for us, the decent people of Britain, to bear.

So... if both are duplicated... then the ratio is the same.

Or are you arguing that racists and fascists are more honest than warm hearted humanitarian people motivated by a desire to see a demagogue put in his place?

Evidence?


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Evidence?


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That was hyperbolic.

I was hinting at the post-Referendum petition which was hijacked by 4chan.

It isn't outlandish to suggest the same reoccurred, is it..

Is it your position that he is an illegitimate President though?

What are you basing that on?

His approval ratings are low, and he was elected by a minority of the votes.

Because if you accept he is the legitimate President of the USA, insulting him personally by withdrawing an invitation already issued for a state visit doesn't sound very sensible as a foreign policy, does it?

I mean suppose you make a new business contact and think you might have interests of mutual benefit so you invite him or her to a lunch at home. It could be life changing for the family's finances, a new partnership.

And your eight year old child throws a wobbly because of something they saw on children's TV on the BBC that they didn't like, so you withdraw the already issued invitation. Not forever, just until the infant feels OK about your guest.

This visit will take place. And quite rightly so.

It is circumstantial so far. AFAIK anyway?

The system is not very robust is it though? I have signed the Donald Must Come petition and you just need an email address to verify.

It is not a trustworthy, fraud proof system. In fact it is a joke.

The extent of Muslim voter fraud is frankly shocking and would be a huge issue for liberals if it weren't Muslims doing the ballot stuffing, so too non PC to mention.

And that is the supposedly more robust electoral system.

Just for you I have a Breitbart link. The same basic story (google Lutfur Rahman) is carried on lots of different media sites, but I thought you might enjoy the Breitbart one. It being Nazi and Fascist and all...

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/08/11/report-voter-fraud-uk-muslim-areas/

The EXTREMELY high concentration of petition signers in Muslim areas is referenced below. Tower Hamlets for example, already disgraced in electoral terms, comes out very dark. Clearly they are going to fell strongly about the issue, but some of us have lost trust after all the scandals. Especially with a system so childishly easy to defraud.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/donald-trump-state-visit-petition-cancel-map-parts-uk-signed-back-muslim-ban-immigration-a7553861.html

Tower Hamlets is in the Poplar and Limehouse constituency. A total of 7,413 out 1.7million signatures. Less than 0.5% of the total signatures.

I don't think Brighton (home of TSR HQ) has a particularly high concentration of Muslims, perhaps it does, but they have over 10,000 signatures. That's 9.5% of the Brighton constituents.

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The spurious votes where deleted from the Ref2 poll so the final total is largely correct. I imagine the parliamentary committee in charge of petitions has been keeping a rather close eye on this one.

There's no evidence yet of any significant problems with it.

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Not my point, the very fact the post-Referendum petition had several thousand fraudulent signatures made it void.

Several thousand out of 4.1 million. Voids a petition? Nope.

It's reached 1.6m now, although the rate of signing has slowed, so I think it will peak around the 2 or 2.5m mark.

The petition is pointless anyway. There is nothing to void.

We don't run our democracy via online petitions. We have things called elections.

If Muslims here don't like that they need to win the most votes.

Legally and honestly.

We could use a similar argument about a certain referendum (since we are arguing about principles now, arguing that referendums are less easy to manipulate than online petitions atm is irrelevant)

This petition isn't even advisory. It is meaningless. Nothing. Less than a fleabite.
Equivalent to a Guardian editorial.

Petitions have been part and parcel of British democracy for centuries. It was notably used by the slavery abolitionists. And these days parliament offers an online mechanism. It would be rude not to use it.

Oh, and as per my earlier analysis. The signatories are by no means Muslim dominated. There is zero evidence of that, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

However at this point it seems appropriate to paste my current favourite quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak for me."

Martin Niemöller