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Can I get into Ivy Leagues with my A Levels?

Hi!

So my dream is to go to Princeton University to study History/Psychology and then study Law. However, I'm concerned that my A Levels are too unrelated/ not academic enough.

I am currently taking:
French, where I'm predicted an A*
Spanish, predicted A
History OR Psychology, predicted around a B in both, I could acheive higher.

I have taken a few months off school, and they are now giving me a choice between Psych or History. Which do you think would be more beneficial to ultimately get me into Law?
Also whats a rough idea of my GPA?

Thanks! x
History.
Reply 2
Original post by num.7
History.


Could I still major in Psychology with that though?
Original post by TaliaQ
Could I still major in Psychology with that though?


Sorry, I read your first post wrong. Ignore what I said.
Reply 4
Original post by TaliaQ
Hi!

So my dream is to go to Princeton University to study History/Psychology and then study Law. However, I'm concerned that my A Levels are too unrelated/ not academic enough.

I am currently taking:
French, where I'm predicted an A*
Spanish, predicted A
History OR Psychology, predicted around a B in both, I could acheive higher.

I have taken a few months off school, and they are now giving me a choice between Psych or History. Which do you think would be more beneficial to ultimately get me into Law?
Also whats a rough idea of my GPA?

Thanks! x


Hi, I have moved your post to the Studying in North America forum. :smile:

Firstly, have a look at the stickied threads for some tips on applying to US universities.
Original post by TaliaQ
Hi!

So my dream is to go to Princeton University to study History/Psychology and then study Law. However, I'm concerned that my A Levels are too unrelated/ not academic enough.

I am currently taking:
French, where I'm predicted an A*
Spanish, predicted A
History OR Psychology, predicted around a B in both, I could acheive higher.

I have taken a few months off school, and they are now giving me a choice between Psych or History. Which do you think would be more beneficial to ultimately get me into Law?
Also whats a rough idea of my GPA?

Thanks! x


1. You're going to have to apply to every Ivy League to have a reasonable chance, because honestly, your chances of getting into Princeton are slim - your grade predictions would matter and as of now they wouldn't be competitive for Oxbridge, let alone an Ivy League as International

2. Get 1500> SAT to have any reasonable chance

3. Have a god send of extracurriculars

4. Have great references and a great college essay
Reply 6
Original post by Kyber Ninja
1. You're going to have to apply to every Ivy League to have a reasonable chance, because honestly, your chances of getting into Princeton are slim - your grade predictions would matter and as of now they wouldn't be competitive for Oxbridge, let alone an Ivy League as International

2. Get 1500> SAT to have any reasonable chance

3. Have a god send of extracurriculars

4. Have great references and a great college essay


what grades would I need? Also are there any extracurriculars yu'd recommend?
Original post by TaliaQ
Hi!

So my dream is to go to Princeton University to study History/Psychology and then study Law. However, I'm concerned that my A Levels are too unrelated/ not academic enough.

I am currently taking:
French, where I'm predicted an A*
Spanish, predicted A
History OR Psychology, predicted around a B in both, I could acheive higher.

I have taken a few months off school, and they are now giving me a choice between Psych or History. Which do you think would be more beneficial to ultimately get me into Law?
Also whats a rough idea of my GPA?

Thanks! x


do you know how the American college system works? you won't even get to study that much history or psychology...
I think both your course choices and their grades are fine, don't worry about them!

Ivy leagues emphasize well-roundedness (very important!), so make sure you demonstrate that through an array of extra curriculars and the essays/supplements you write as part of your application.

Also, make sure you do well on standardized testing (SAT/ACT and most likely SAT subject tests since we're talking about ivy leagues). A perfect score won't give you a leg up on other applicants, but you do need to aim for the average of the school's application pool (which for Princeton is probably near perfect) as to not stick out negatively :smile:
Reply 9
to be honest, I do really struggle to understand it. Care to explains bit more? Are you saying I’ll be able to study Psycholoy even without any A Level study? Thanks so much..
Reply 10
Original post by lordmasterlu
I think both your course choices and their grades are fine, don't worry about them!

Ivy leagues emphasize well-roundedness (very important!), so make sure you demonstrate that through an array of extra curriculars and the essays/supplements you write as part of your application.

Also, make sure you do well on standardized testing (SAT/ACT and most likely SAT subject tests since we're talking about ivy leagues). A perfect score won't give you a leg up on other applicants, but you do need to aim for the average of the school's application pool (which for Princeton is probably near perfect) as to not stick out negatively :smile:



Thank you so much!! You’re the first person to actually give me any information haha. Can I ask what extracurriculars you’d suggest? I currently mentor some kids who struggle with French once a week, and I help teach at my dance school, where I compete on an International level. Do you think those are a good start? I’m also thinking of starting a Psychology research blog? I am very interested in my subjects, which I think would show if I used them as an extracurricular. Also, I’m **** at maths, and forget a lot of maths easily. Do you think I should focus only SAT more than on my French A Level, where I am almost guaranteed an A*?
Lastly, is taking French as a subject test still ok if it’s my first language?
Original post by TaliaQ
what grades would I need? Also are there any extracurriculars yu'd recommend?


Something that's competitive for Oxbridge

Anything that changes you or your community in a meaningful way
Are you going for a scholarship?

I tried during my A-levels and realized it was pointless. What is going to distinguish me from an American with a 3.5 GPA and extra-curricular activity?
I know of someone who managed to get a scholarship with a pretty low tabled university to study liberal arts in the US. They had enough to make a competitive Oxbridge application. Obviously, it is easier to get a scholarship to a lower US university that a prestigious Ivy league. I know of someone leaving my uni with an LLB, they managed to get a scholarship for Harvard. I have heard of graduates successfully gaining scholarships, but I just ditched the idea and focused on UK universities.

It is uncommon but obviously not impossible.
Original post by TaliaQ
to be honest, I do really struggle to understand it. Care to explains bit more? Are you saying I’ll be able to study Psycholoy even without any A Level study? Thanks so much..


my last comment on this topic:

Original post by CollectiveSoul
Take Harvard:

- A maximum of 40% of your degree must be your 'major' (which you only declare at the end of your second year)

- 30% must be 'electives' - i.e. other subjects than maths

- 30% must be General Education. and if you think this just means a core of english, maths and sciences you are wrong. it is the silliest, most wishy-washy type nonsense you could imagine, little more than studying modules like Interpretative Dance in Impoverished Vegan Cultures .
Original post by TaliaQ
Thank you so much!! You’re the first person to actually give me any information haha. Can I ask what extracurriculars you’d suggest? I currently mentor some kids who struggle with French once a week, and I help teach at my dance school, where I compete on an International level. Do you think those are a good start? I’m also thinking of starting a Psychology research blog? I am very interested in my subjects, which I think would show if I used them as an extracurricular. Also, I’m **** at maths, and forget a lot of maths easily. Do you think I should focus only SAT more than on my French A Level, where I am almost guaranteed an A*?
Lastly, is taking French as a subject test still ok if it’s my first language?


Your current extracurriculars sound great! There is no "checklist" because it's not necessarily about what/how many extracurriculars you do, but more about how you engage with them and what you gain from them. So the schools will want to see you demonstrate qualities like leadership, teamwork, perseverance, time management, etc. They should basically just be activities that you genuinely enjoy participating in outside of the classroom - don't go joining 10 different clubs you don't really care about this year, an admissions officer will see straight through that. I think it's great that you want to start a psychology research blog - it shows passion, initiative, commitment, motivation, so many things!

As for SATs, it's scored out of 1600 and half of that comes from the math sections (the other half is english reading & language). I would aim for a total score of 1500 at least, so sharpening your math skills is important. It's really be up to you how you prepare for it/how much time you spend preparing, because you know your skills better than I do. You can buy a textbook that usually has tips and tons of practice questions, as well as full practice exams (doing practice exams is a great way to prepare!) If you're confident that your grades will not drop, then by all means, concentrate on preparing for SATs. However, standardized testing is only one part of your application - it is definitely not worth sacrificing your academic grades to prepare. Also, keep in mind that you can take SATs as many times that you like, so you do have a chance for a do-over if you're not satisfied with your score the first time around. I don't think there's an actual limit, but you will probably not want to take it more than three times... it's a long and brutal test... You can also look into taking the ACT, which has four sections (language, math, reading, and "science" which is really just data analysis)

You can definitely take French as a subject test! A subject test is just meant to demonstrate your proficiency in a specific field, and it's completely up to your choice as to which ones you will take (you'll probably need at least two tests though, and some schools have specific requirements for subjects depending on the course you're applying to, so look into that)

One more thing, applying to Ivy leagues is a long and costly process, between standardized tests, and all the essays. It takes more effort than UK schools. I'm guessing that you'll be applying for 2019 fall entry, and it seems far away, but you don't have that much time. The application deadline will be beginning November 2018 (for Early decision) and beginning January 2019 (for Regular decision)
Reply 15
Original post by lordmasterlu
Your current extracurriculars sound great! There is no "checklist" because it's not necessarily about what/how many extracurriculars you do, but more about how you engage with them and what you gain from them. So the schools will want to see you demonstrate qualities like leadership, teamwork, perseverance, time management, etc. They should basically just be activities that you genuinely enjoy participating in outside of the classroom - don't go joining 10 different clubs you don't really care about this year, an admissions officer will see straight through that. I think it's great that you want to start a psychology research blog - it shows passion, initiative, commitment, motivation, so many things!

As for SATs, it's scored out of 1600 and half of that comes from the math sections (the other half is english reading & language). I would aim for a total score of 1500 at least, so sharpening your math skills is important. It's really be up to you how you prepare for it/how much time you spend preparing, because you know your skills better than I do. You can buy a textbook that usually has tips and tons of practice questions, as well as full practice exams (doing practice exams is a great way to prepare!) If you're confident that your grades will not drop, then by all means, concentrate on preparing for SATs. However, standardized testing is only one part of your application - it is definitely not worth sacrificing your academic grades to prepare. Also, keep in mind that you can take SATs as many times that you like, so you do have a chance for a do-over if you're not satisfied with your score the first time around. I don't think there's an actual limit, but you will probably not want to take it more than three times... it's a long and brutal test... You can also look into taking the ACT, which has four sections (language, math, reading, and "science" which is really just data analysis)

You can definitely take French as a subject test! A subject test is just meant to demonstrate your proficiency in a specific field, and it's completely up to your choice as to which ones you will take (you'll probably need at least two tests though, and some schools have specific requirements for subjects depending on the course you're applying to, so look into that)

One more thing, applying to Ivy leagues is a long and costly process, between standardized tests, and all the essays. It takes more effort than UK schools. I'm guessing that you'll be applying for 2019 fall entry, and it seems far away, but you don't have that much time. The application deadline will be beginning November 2018 (for Early decision) and beginning January 2019 (for Regular decision)


Thanks again. So, I just applied to take my SAT in March, the only date that is available right now. Does that mean I'll only be able to take the test once again, in Autumn? Or are there any other dates between the two? I practice a lot, and the English is quite easy, but the Maths is awful. It's just so different to in England where you can get 70/80% and be considered an amazing grade, but here you need practically 90 to even be considered.
Also is it worth sending all of my test sccores to the schools, or only the best one?
Original post by TaliaQ
Thanks again. So, I just applied to take my SAT in March, the only date that is available right now. Does that mean I'll only be able to take the test once again, in Autumn? Or are there any other dates between the two? I practice a lot, and the English is quite easy, but the Maths is awful. It's just so different to in England where you can get 70/80% and be considered an amazing grade, but here you need practically 90 to even be considered.
Also is it worth sending all of my test scores to the schools, or only the best one?


I think there are more dates for the SAT, it's usually offered almost every month in the spring and in the fall. You can check for the 2018 dates on their website. If you're going to take subject tests as well though, keep in mind that you can't write both the reasoning test and the subject tests on the same day. So if you want to write both, and want to write a retake for both as well (people usually see most improvement on their second shot) you'll need four test dates.

As for sending scores, it depends on the school's policy. Some will force you to send all your scores, while others give you a choice. If a school has a superscoring policy for the SAT, it is definitely worth it to send more than one test date

Also if you find the your math score is dragging your composite SAT score too much, it may be to your advantage to take the ACT, because the math score is only one quarter of your composite score.

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