Militant vegans storm steak house

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Original post by ploiyt

They are equal in terms of physical suffering. Also mental suffering to an extent.

How would you know? Are you a dog? You have zero justification or rational to infer that humans suffer in an “equal” way to dogs, or any other mammal.

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Original post by ploiyt

Ok lets just agree to disagree, you can carry on not raping people while others can carry on raping, there are no problems.

That's what that logic would apply.

those are two different situations quite polar thus comparing them is stupid
u know wat he means dont try to make it a big thing

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Original post by ploiyt

Ok lets just agree to disagree, you can carry on not raping people while others can carry on raping, there are no problems.

That's what that logic would apply.

But the thing is raping is against the law. Eating meat isn’t so as long as meat is allowed then killing animals for food will always be the norm. Unfortunately meat eating is still popular around the world so it won’t be the case for a looooong time

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Original post by RedGiant

How would you know? Are you a dog? You have zero justification or rational to infer that humans suffer in an “equal” way to dogs, or any other mammal.

I think its fair to say these animals suffer physically the same way as a human. If you kick a pig they will scream. And it is clear that mentally suffer to an extent as well. It cannot be said if their mental suffering is equal, less, or greater than humans as we are not any of these species and we simply do not know enough to conclude either way.

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Original post by I AM GROOT 1

those are two different situations quite polar thus comparing them is stupid
u know wat he means dont try to make it a big thing

Yes he's saying that you should respect other peoples choice when going by that logic then non-rapists should respect rapists choices, Non murderers should respect murderers choices. People a few hundred years ago should have respect the slave owners choices. Just a lot of contradicting BS.

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Original post by Professional G

But the thing is raping is against the law. Eating meat isn’t so as long as meat is allowed then killing animals for food will always be the norm. Unfortunately meat eating is still popular around the world so it won’t be the case for a looooong time

I know but what is legal and not legal does not equal morality.

Also why are you saying unfortunately? I thought your kind would be happy that it is still popular?

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Original post by ploiyt

Yes he's saying that you should respect other peoples choice when going by that logic then non-rapists should respect rapists choices, Non murderers should respect murderers choices. People a few hundred years ago should have respect the slave owners choices. Just a lot of contradicting BS.

but that is not the topic of discussion we are talking about meat eater not rapists
a rapist intends to inflict pain on his victim
whereas meat eater do not they do not wish to inflict pain when eating the animal - besides animals eat animals what have u to say about that they are causing them pain wats the difference ohhhhh maybe its the fact we dont let these animals suffer whilst chasing and tearing them apart

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Original post by ploiyt

I know but what is legal and not legal does not equal morality.

Also why are you saying unfortunately? I thought your kind would be happy that it is still popular?

I think a lot of religious people see meat eating as something moral. How would you convince them it isn’t especially when it literally says it in their holy books?
Plus this country is based on Christianity so throughout its history, laws have been based on what is considered moral in Christianity.
I prefer organic farming. Lol so you judge people on whether they eat meat or not? Not a good trait for a moral person to have.

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(Original post by ploiyt)
I think its fair to say these animals suffer physically the same way as a human. If you kick a pig they will scream. And it is clear that mentally suffer to an extent as well. It cannot be said if their mental suffering is equal, less, or greater than humans as we are not any of these species and we simply do not know enough to conclude either way.

Just because animals "scream", doesn't mean they are suffering in an "equal" way. Screaming mainly evolved as an evolutionary tool, to warn other animals that there is a predator nearby; this isn't evidence whatsoever that they are suffering in an "equal" way to humans. Pigs have a differently evolved reaction system to humans, thus they react differently. And so far you have not provided any actual evidence to support either of your claims; it is not "clear" that they mentally suffer. They mainly lack the higher brain function to predict and act in accordance to the future, which is why they are completely different to humans "mentally". They are not aware that they are going to be slaughtered when they are waiting in a slaughterhouse. The way they learn is very distant to the way humans learn. The reason why humans are higher than any other member in the animal kingdom, is due to the evolution of the advanced brain. Therefore your argument is based on trivial observation.

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Original post by ploiyt

I think its fair to say these animals suffer physically the same way as a human. If you kick a pig they will scream. And it is clear that mentally suffer to an extent as well. It cannot be said if their mental suffering is equal, less, or greater than humans as we are not any of these species and we simply do not know enough to conclude either way.

Exactly my point, you have no meaningful understanding of the concept of suffering. Perceivable sound and visual cues are the only determinants apparently(!).Like I said, an emotional reaction to a situation that vegans do not understand.

Then why are you asserting that humans and animals are equal mentally to an extent and physically?

How do you legislate this anyway? If we were to amend that the right to life of an animal is the same of that of a human, legal action will be even slower than it is now and human murder cases will take slower to close. You can explain to families of victims why you decided that an animal is equal to humans legally. And also there is the human extinction issue.

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