Why do the students commonly want to vote labour?
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Original post by Luke_Brand
Calling someone a parasite for aiming highly, is actually quite offensive. A lot of the “parasites” I know have paid many 100s of thousands or even millions in taxes, which actually goes towards healthcare and benefits for the many.
You dont actually make anything though your motivation is self enrichment.
Being a property landlord just living off the shortage of housing is a parasite. Why do you need more than one house? What about the people that cant afford one home?
I am disappointed you find it quite offensive.
I do hope they increase taxes against buy to let landlords.
Btw you dont aspire to be something great, just someone who is rich.
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The more you have to loose - the more risk-adverse you are
The more reliant you are on others - the more empathy you have with others who rely on the state
The less you have worked - the less you resent those who don't/cant
etc. etc.
Its just natural, there are multiple traits that younger people have that make them more liberally minded on average, and as they age they become more conservative because the their life changes and their traits shift.
For example there is a significant shift to conservative values for men when they get married.. and for women there is a huge shift towards conservativism when they have their first child. Equally the more assets/money you have the more likely you are to shift.
Its much easier to risk radical economic change when you have no money to loose.. and its a lot easier to want to give more to those in need, when its not your money that's being given to them. Its a lot easier to risk radical societal change when you don't have children to worry about how it effects them etc. etc.
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The change is less pronounced than it was 50 years ago, but its still true and likely always will be: If your not liberal when your young, you have no heart.. if your not conservative when your older, you have no brian.
The more reliant you are on others - the more empathy you have with others who rely on the state
The less you have worked - the less you resent those who don't/cant
etc. etc.
Its just natural, there are multiple traits that younger people have that make them more liberally minded on average, and as they age they become more conservative because the their life changes and their traits shift.
For example there is a significant shift to conservative values for men when they get married.. and for women there is a huge shift towards conservativism when they have their first child. Equally the more assets/money you have the more likely you are to shift.
Its much easier to risk radical economic change when you have no money to loose.. and its a lot easier to want to give more to those in need, when its not your money that's being given to them. Its a lot easier to risk radical societal change when you don't have children to worry about how it effects them etc. etc.
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The change is less pronounced than it was 50 years ago, but its still true and likely always will be: If your not liberal when your young, you have no heart.. if your not conservative when your older, you have no brian.
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Original post by fallen_acorns
f your not conservative when your older, you have no brian.
Leave Brian out of this...
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Read this or don't it is abit long lool.
Simply put, individuals now days for whom are young and new to politics, vote very irrationally. They have not done enough research on politics, or understanding how bad communism mad socialism is. They forget these economic disasters and socially too. They do not do research to identify where other parties like conservatives have taken the UK. Instead they chant there GCSE/A-LEVEL maths qualification , and say they are why I am broke and the poor is poor and the rich are richer, the cause to inequality is conservatives, mistaking a general economic correlation for a casual relationship. This mistaken prior belief gets buried in there heart, making it difficult to think rationally - a cognitive bias. Leading to them pumped with adrenaline and emotions when they here FREE this and everything, making them say LABOUR!! Of course irrational, as they do not bother to search up the economic consequence of debt and poor economic growth from inefficient policies, or understand the economics of tax rates, to understand by levying large increase in tax on the rich never always means more tax revenue, sure in the short run there may be an increase, sustainable defiantly not it will just negatively effect economic activity, by affecting jobs, consumption and business investment along with productivity changes. But, free tuition sounds great, amazing , Labour are for the many not the few they are not selfish *******s, hold on, is the individual voting on the basis they don't have to pay tuition selfish, are they not subsequently affecting the future of today, there children and others the many. Is the approach of creating charities and private sector NPO the best way of giving the ACTUAL poor people of today resources - those who really have nothing - the other parties approach. I could go on for days, I should probs go give a speech in parliament.
Simply put, individuals now days for whom are young and new to politics, vote very irrationally. They have not done enough research on politics, or understanding how bad communism mad socialism is. They forget these economic disasters and socially too. They do not do research to identify where other parties like conservatives have taken the UK. Instead they chant there GCSE/A-LEVEL maths qualification , and say they are why I am broke and the poor is poor and the rich are richer, the cause to inequality is conservatives, mistaking a general economic correlation for a casual relationship. This mistaken prior belief gets buried in there heart, making it difficult to think rationally - a cognitive bias. Leading to them pumped with adrenaline and emotions when they here FREE this and everything, making them say LABOUR!! Of course irrational, as they do not bother to search up the economic consequence of debt and poor economic growth from inefficient policies, or understand the economics of tax rates, to understand by levying large increase in tax on the rich never always means more tax revenue, sure in the short run there may be an increase, sustainable defiantly not it will just negatively effect economic activity, by affecting jobs, consumption and business investment along with productivity changes. But, free tuition sounds great, amazing , Labour are for the many not the few they are not selfish *******s, hold on, is the individual voting on the basis they don't have to pay tuition selfish, are they not subsequently affecting the future of today, there children and others the many. Is the approach of creating charities and private sector NPO the best way of giving the ACTUAL poor people of today resources - those who really have nothing - the other parties approach. I could go on for days, I should probs go give a speech in parliament.
Original post by Luke_Brand
Also, no I’m aiming to be an investment banker, doing my GCSEs right now and hoping to go to a grammar school for my A levels.
Though if I make enough money, property is probably a good idea for good financial security in retirement.
Though if I make enough money, property is probably a good idea for good financial security in retirement.
Do you have the ability to understand that not everyone has a desire to be rich off the backs of others?
Do you understand that other people have different cares about the country such as education, the NHS and workers rights?
Original post by Albdaeni
Read this or don't it is abit long lool.
Simply put, individuals now days for whom are young and new to politics, vote very irrationally. They have not done enough research on politics, or understanding how bad communism mad socialism is. They forget these economic disasters and socially too. They do not do research to identify where other parties like conservatives have taken the UK. Instead they chant there GCSE/A-LEVEL maths qualification , and say they are why I am broke and the poor is poor and the rich are richer, the cause to inequality is conservatives, mistaking a general economic correlation for a casual relationship. This mistaken prior belief gets buried in there heart, making it difficult to think rationally - a cognitive bias. Leading to them pumped with adrenaline and emotions when they here FREE this and everything, making them say LABOUR!! Of course irrational, as they do not bother to search up the economic consequence of debt and poor economic growth from inefficient policies, or understand the economics of tax rates, to understand by levying large increase in tax on the rich never always means more tax revenue, sure in the short run there may be an increase, sustainable defiantly not it will just negatively effect economic activity, by affecting jobs, consumption and business investment along with productivity changes. But, free tuition sounds great, amazing , Labour are for the many not the few they are not selfish *******s, hold on, is the individual voting on the basis they don't have to pay tuition selfish, are they not subsequently affecting the future of today, there children and others the many. Is the approach of creating charities and private sector NPO the best way of giving the ACTUAL poor people of today resources - those who really have nothing - the other parties approach. I could go on for days, I should probs go give a speech in parliament.
Simply put, individuals now days for whom are young and new to politics, vote very irrationally. They have not done enough research on politics, or understanding how bad communism mad socialism is. They forget these economic disasters and socially too. They do not do research to identify where other parties like conservatives have taken the UK. Instead they chant there GCSE/A-LEVEL maths qualification , and say they are why I am broke and the poor is poor and the rich are richer, the cause to inequality is conservatives, mistaking a general economic correlation for a casual relationship. This mistaken prior belief gets buried in there heart, making it difficult to think rationally - a cognitive bias. Leading to them pumped with adrenaline and emotions when they here FREE this and everything, making them say LABOUR!! Of course irrational, as they do not bother to search up the economic consequence of debt and poor economic growth from inefficient policies, or understand the economics of tax rates, to understand by levying large increase in tax on the rich never always means more tax revenue, sure in the short run there may be an increase, sustainable defiantly not it will just negatively effect economic activity, by affecting jobs, consumption and business investment along with productivity changes. But, free tuition sounds great, amazing , Labour are for the many not the few they are not selfish *******s, hold on, is the individual voting on the basis they don't have to pay tuition selfish, are they not subsequently affecting the future of today, there children and others the many. Is the approach of creating charities and private sector NPO the best way of giving the ACTUAL poor people of today resources - those who really have nothing - the other parties approach. I could go on for days, I should probs go give a speech in parliament.
What a load of patronising ill informed twaddle. Look forward to hearing your speech in parliament.
It is very rational to vote for policies you believe in or policies which makes your life better.
Original post by Luke_Brand
As an opinionated person, I enjoy thinking and talking about politics, my parents are landlords so politics is the talk of the family. I personally believe that labour would wreck the economy of the UK if they got in, just ready for me to grow up and face the consequences.
So anyway why do some very smart people (students) think labour borrowing over a trillion is a good idea?
So anyway why do some very smart people (students) think labour borrowing over a trillion is a good idea?
Oh you've been brainwashed then. Forget about the time we bailed out the banks did you? Lmao. You don't get it. This current system works on favouring coorporations, and we've had austerity to cater for that. We can't afford BILLIONAIRES, we can afford to give the public what they need. Unless you like being a mug, I don't understand your logic.
The elite tell you what we can't afford. Wake up.
We afforded the NHS when we had a proper socialist government.
Many other countries (such as Finland) flourish under socialist policies. Our taxes pay it, it's not free. And newsflash, we're already in more debt than we've ever been thanks to these criminals, and it didn't favour anybody but those who own our resources.
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Original post by a0okke
Oh you've been brainwashed then. Forget about the time we bailed out the banks did you? Lmao. You don't get it. This current system works on favouring coorporations, and we've had austerity to cater for that. We can't afford BILLIONAIRES, we can afford to give the public what they need. Unless you like being a mug, I don't understand your logic.
The elite tell you what we can't afford. Wake up.
We afforded the NHS when we had a proper socialist government.
Many other countries (such as Finland) flourish under socialist policies. Our taxes pay it, it's not free. And newsflash, we're already in more debt thank we've ever been thanks to these criminals, and it didn't favour anybody but those who own our resources.
The elite tell you what we can't afford. Wake up.
We afforded the NHS when we had a proper socialist government.
Many other countries (such as Finland) flourish under socialist policies. Our taxes pay it, it's not free. And newsflash, we're already in more debt thank we've ever been thanks to these criminals, and it didn't favour anybody but those who own our resources.
Yep - and look at how many residential landlords make their money out of benefits payments.
Original post by ajj2000
Yep - and look at how many residential landlords make their money out of benefits payments.
Landlords are the worst of the worst.
Original post by 999tigger
What a load of patronising ill informed twaddle. Look forward to hearing your speech in parliament.
It is very rational to vote for policies you believe in or policies which makes your life better.
It is very rational to vote for policies you believe in or policies which makes your life better.
Please tell me what I have said that is wrong. And please don't talk about the problems other parties have created, everybody makes wrong decisions. Where am I Ill informed. Your last sentence is irrational , as you once again believe that policies that SOUND amazing will actually have the same action, for a better life, once again a lack of research,limitations in your mind to open this idea of irrationality is what we call bounded rationality.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp , https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election, https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails , please read up.
Also, please understand, there is an argument for everything , but creating policies that in theory MAY work, with much evidence and arguments against is not a rational risk too take. They should be way more thought about , LOADS of research and unfortunately, since last election labor has not made progress on a solid plan. I am just saying.
Original post by Albdaeni
Please tell me what I have said that is wrong. And please don't talk about the problems other parties have created, everybody makes wrong decisions. Where am I Ill informed. Your last sentence is irrational , as you once again believe that policies that SOUND amazing will actually have the same action, for a better life, once again a lack of research,limitations in your mind to open this idea of irrationality is what we call bounded rationality.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp , https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election, https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails , please read up.
Also, please understand, there is an argument for everything , but creating policies that in theory MAY work, with much evidence and arguments against is not a rational risk too take. They should be way more thought about , LOADS of research and unfortunately, since last election labor has not made progress on a solid plan. I am just saying.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp , https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election, https://www.hoover.org/research/why-socialism-fails , please read up.
Also, please understand, there is an argument for everything , but creating policies that in theory MAY work, with much evidence and arguments against is not a rational risk too take. They should be way more thought about , LOADS of research and unfortunately, since last election labor has not made progress on a solid plan. I am just saying.
Why socialism fails? I'll tell you why socialism fails.
Production relations vs production forces. I'll let you do some research on that. You need some Marx in your life, you're painfully ignorant.
I think theres an echo chamber online of left wing people expressing their views are right, and right wing people are always wrong. Im 19 and vote conservative. I agree with a lot of 'left wing' views like LGBT, womens rights, immigration etc. The only thing i disagree with is the money side of things. My parents have worked hard to get the jobs they have and are paying a large part of their income in taxes to people on benefits. I have friends who left school with no GCSEs who now have kids and council houses. I dont understand why hard working people are supposed to give up what they earn to people who have done nothing. (obviously, some people do need support, but not everyone). The money side of things is the only reason i will always vote conservative and never labour.
As i was saying about views online, I always see left wing people attack right wing views, calling them intolerant, yet left wing people are the only ones I see giving unsolicited hate towards others.
As i was saying about views online, I always see left wing people attack right wing views, calling them intolerant, yet left wing people are the only ones I see giving unsolicited hate towards others.
Original post by a0okke
Oh you've been brainwashed then. Forget about the time we bailed out the banks did you? Lmao. You don't get it. This current system works on favouring coorporations, and we've had austerity to cater for that. We can't afford BILLIONAIRES, we can afford to give the public what they need. Unless you like being a mug, I don't understand your logic.
The elite tell you what we can't afford. Wake up.
We afforded the NHS when we had a proper socialist government.
Many other countries (such as Finland) flourish under socialist policies. Our taxes pay it, it's not free. And newsflash, we're already in more debt than we've ever been thanks to these criminals, and it didn't favour anybody but those who own our resources.
The elite tell you what we can't afford. Wake up.
We afforded the NHS when we had a proper socialist government.
Many other countries (such as Finland) flourish under socialist policies. Our taxes pay it, it's not free. And newsflash, we're already in more debt than we've ever been thanks to these criminals, and it didn't favour anybody but those who own our resources.
Time and time again we’ve seen communist and socialist societies fail, one of the greatest economies in the world, America, has been flourishing for generations. And guess what, it’s capitalist.
Look how many Russian millionaires and billionaires communism has made, while others are left behind to starve brainlessly following a multi BILLIONAIRE leader. Not exactly fair is it. And that’s exactly what our fate is if Corbyn gets in, the multi millionaire that expects people to brainlessly follow him for unrealistic promises he can never keep.
Original post by Reality Check
What 16 year old wants to be an investment banker! When I was 16, I either wanted to win Wimbledon or be an army hero.
Investment banking...god, how depressing.
Investment banking...god, how depressing.
I can't lie I was set on investment banking from 16 I went all out and did loads of networking and got experience in major banks. Since then I've changed a lot, still want to study economics but go into actually solving the worlds problems. Investment banking can be attractive because of pay and it is definitely a challenging job but in the grand scheme of things I realised it's pointless. Hopefully OP realises too
Original post by nintysixthousand
I agree with a lot of 'left wing' views like LGBT, womens rights, immigration etc.
These were not historically left wing views.
Original post by Luke_Brand
Time and time again we’ve seen communist and socialist societies fail, one of the greatest economies in the world, America, has been flourishing for generations. And guess what, it’s capitalist.
"Flourishing"
Original post by Luke_Brand
Time and time again we’ve seen communist and socialist societies fail, one of the greatest economies in the world, America, has been flourishing for generations. And guess what, it’s capitalist.
Look how many Russian millionaires and billionaires communism has made, while others are left behind to starve brainlessly following a multi BILLIONAIRE leader. Not exactly fair is it. And that’s exactly what our fate is if Corbyn gets in, the multi millionaire that expects people to brainlessly follow him for unrealistic promises he can never keep.
Look how many Russian millionaires and billionaires communism has made, while others are left behind to starve brainlessly following a multi BILLIONAIRE leader. Not exactly fair is it. And that’s exactly what our fate is if Corbyn gets in, the multi millionaire that expects people to brainlessly follow him for unrealistic promises he can never keep.
Another lemming confusing the rise to communism as actual communism. Your critical thinking is lacking... Moving on.
I think people need to learn the difference between debt and deficit. The deficit fell under the tories.
At the end of the day labour governments spend like mad, eventually get voted out then the tories have to come in and clean up the mess.
And in regards to the NHS- Labour is partly to blame because of all the PFI! There's also a difference between not having enough money and not using the money you have efficiently.
At the end of the day labour governments spend like mad, eventually get voted out then the tories have to come in and clean up the mess.
And in regards to the NHS- Labour is partly to blame because of all the PFI! There's also a difference between not having enough money and not using the money you have efficiently.
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