Why do the students commonly want to vote labour?

Reply 60

Luke_Brand

OP

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Original post by makeup

I won’t be in debt thou-calmmmmm

You will when you cant afford the overly high taxes

Reply 61

IRFUftw

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Original post by Luke_Brand

As an opinionated person, I enjoy thinking and talking about politics, my parents are landlords so politics is the talk of the family. I personally believe that labour would wreck the economy of the UK if they got in, just ready for me to grow up and face the consequences.

So anyway why do some very smart people (students) think labour borrowing over a trillion is a good idea?

In general students have always been more liberal than the rest of the population. might just be cause students are developing their opinions on the world, I dunno

Reply 62

999tigger

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Original post by Themoralsinner

people dont seem to realise that the current top level of earners pay the most tax and use the least services. They also provide jobs through the companies they own. How many people are going to be taxed to the hilt? they will go and live elsewhere taking their tax with them. then who will pay? the next rung down etc etc until eventually it reaches you and me.

They also get the most benefit out of society. You have to be earning those amounts to be able to pay the tax.

Reply 63

Varss

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Original post by Luke_Brand

You will when you cant afford the overly high taxes

taxes don't push you into debt

Reply 64

Luke_Brand

OP

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https://www.gov.uk/if-you-dont-pay-your-tax-bill

Are you sure?

Original post by Varss

taxes don't push you into debt

Reply 65

Varss

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Original post by Luke_Brand

https://www.gov.uk/if-you-dont-pay-your-tax-bill

Are you sure?

yes, that is if you don't pay your taxes. If you don't earn past a certain amount you don't pay income tax anyways

Reply 66

the bear

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most students are not old enough to remember how dreadful life under a Labor government is. they think it will be Tragic Grandpa handing out goodies from his sack every day of the year.

smh

Reply 67

username4986690

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Original post by the bear

most students are not old enough to remember how dreadful life under a Labor government is. they think it will be Tragic Grandpa handing out goodies from his sack every day of the year.

smh

It is best of two evils as it stands.

I would like to be able to access healthcare within a reasonable time frame, can't do that now.

Reply 68

imlikeahermit

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Original post by Varss

yes, that is if you don't pay your taxes. If you don't earn past a certain amount you don't pay income tax anyways

Or you could just sit on the over inflated benefits system that a proper labour government will surely implement?

Reply 69

ajj2000

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Original post by 999tigger

They also get the most benefit out of society. You have to be earning those amounts to be able to pay the tax.

As an interesting thought - this must be an unusual election when the young middle class consider voting labour to have a lower tax bill (should student loans be cancelled).

Reply 70

Stiff Little Fingers

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Original post by Themoralsinner

At the end of the day labour governments spend like mad, eventually get voted out then the tories have to come in and clean up the mess.

Which is why labour on average borrow less and repay more. But sure, let's talk deficit instead... http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/conservative-budget-deficits-on-average-theyre-twice-the-size-of-labours oh, under the Tories it's also far bigger than under labour. The Tories are the party of financial incompetence, but manage to fool enough people into thinking the economy is like a household budget to pretend otherwise

Reply 71

Paolo3100

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I don't understand why people ALWAYS think that every form of socialism is appropriate.
Tuition fees contribute billions of pounds a year to the economy and the fact that it's taken as a percentage means it's affordable for most people due to the 21k threshold.

Labour is slowly chasing away businesses through their high taxes and nationalisation and people don't do their research.

E.g. nationalising a free broadband service will cause thousands of people to lose their jobs and would cut back innovation as companies would be forced to sell at EXTREMELY low prices.

The pound even went up in value when polls showed that tories were the most popular political group

(edited 4 years ago)

Reply 72

Varss

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Original post by Paolo3100

I don't understand why people ALWAYS think that every form of socialism is appropriate.
Tuition fees contribute billions of pounds a year to the economy and the fact that it's taken as a percentage means it's affordable for most people due to the 21k threshold.

Labour is slowly chasing away businesses through their high taxes and nationalisation and people don't do their research.

E.g. nationalising a free broadband service will cause thousands of people to lose their jobs and would cut back innovation as companies would be forced to sell at EXTREMELY low prices.

The pound even went up in value when polls showed that tories were the most popular political group

currency fluctuations are no indicator of whether something is correct or not, currencies tend to strengthen during changes of certainty in the political sphere

Reply 73

username4986690

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Original post by Paolo3100

Labour is slowly chasing away businesses through their high taxes and nationalisation and people don't do their research.

Like how businesses are leaving now because of Brexit?

Reply 74

username3941996

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Original post by the bear

most students are not old enough to remember how dreadful life under a Labor government is. they think it will be Tragic Grandpa handing out goodies from his sack every day of the year.

smh

You really comparing the last labour government which wasn’t really left wing (wars, financial crisis, created tuition fees) to what Corbyn is proposing?

Reply 75

Apad121

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Original post by 999tigger

So another one of the country's parasites. You vote for your self interests let others vote for theirs.

Really don't see why they are a parasite. If they're making money and paying their taxes they are one of the many little helping to pay for all the things that governments propose.

We should be celebrating people who earn money and pay their taxes else there will be no NHS and welfare system and no free schools because no tax payers= no state money!

Reply 76

winterscoming

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Original post by Luke_Brand

one of the greatest economies in the world, America, has been flourishing for generations.

America's economy across most of the country has been in slow, steady decline for decades. That's why so many people voted for Trump in 2016, why Bernie Sanders came so close to winning the democrat nomination, and why ultimately Hillary Clinton couldn't win.

The 'free market' economics of people like Thatcher, Reagan, Bush Sr, Major, Clinton, Blair, Bush Jr, Obama and Cameron have failed on both sides of the atlantic because they're all built on a relatively short-term premise of maximising profit and maximising return-on-investment, rather than on long-term sustainability.

Those policies failed to spread new wealth, investment and opportunity out to people and communities who really needed it, because of course, there's less profit and smaller margins to be had by investing in deprived areas. All these policies have done is to concentrate wealth in particular areas, driving up inequality everywhere else, creating a "trickle-upwards economics" scenario where an ever-increasing percentage of wealth in those countries is being amassed by a super-rich elite who are in an arms race to find more and more creative ways to exploit people with things like zero-hours contracts, barely-legal working conditions, putting house ownership out-of-reach, driving up living costs, pushing them into debt by having them rely on "payday" lenders. These are trends which are getting worse, not better.

Increasing numbers of towns and cities in both countries which used to be relatively well-off and filled with good middle-class jobs are suffering from post-industrial decline, with the wealth and opportunities all being increasingly concentrated in the affluent, metropolitan areas of the big cities.

Increasing numbers of people in the US and UK have been left to limp along - either because their skills and jobs went out of fashion from jobs which are no longer needed (e.g. goods/services that noone wants any more or jobs replaced by automation), or because they were replaced by ultra-cheap chinese/indian labour (e.g. clothes, electronics, cheap plastic goods, etc). Nobody stepped in to help those people upskill themselves to create new sustainable wealth and employment opportunities in the new growth sectors like finance/technology/media/etc -- all the jobs and opportunities existed, just not in the right areas nor for the people who needed them most.

The majority of new, inbound investment tended to go to the rich areas where profit and return-on-investment could be maximised within a relatively short period of time (e.g. 5-10 years), not the deprived ones who were in far more dire need of it, but where short-term profits would be much lower, and would generally require 20-30 years to see any real gains or returns; there was a total lack of investment in the infrastructure in those areas, neglect for public services like schools/hospitals, etc. Again, all because the short and medium-term economic rewards for investing in poor/deprived areas is far lower than the economic reward for investing in somewhere which is already wealthy.

Those who eventually took an interest were the ones who saw new ways to exploit those who were desperate for any kind of work, and (once again) maximising short-term profit e.g. Uber, Deliveroo, Hermes, Amazon, Sports Direct.

(edited 4 years ago)

Reply 77

The.One.And.Only

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Would like to make an observation: those who disagree, instead of calling OP a parasite, maybe engage in a discussion? It's good that he's aspiring for a career, and to be honest, the vast majority of people his age don't care about politics. Young people need to be encouraged to ask these sorts of questions, so they can be more informed when they get to the ballot box. You aren't going to change his mind by insulting him or having a go at him for his aspirations. Grow up.

Reply 78

username4986690

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Original post by The.One.And.Only

Would like to make an observation: those who disagree, instead of calling OP a parasite, maybe engage in a discussion? It's good that he's aspiring for a career, and to be honest, the vast majority of people his age don't care about politics. Young people need to be encouraged to ask these sorts of questions, so they can be more informed when they get to the ballot box. You aren't going to change his mind by insulting him or having a go at him for his aspirations. Grow up.

I tried to have a conversation but he wouldn't respond.

Reply 79

Stiff Little Fingers

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Original post by The.One.And.Only

Would like to make an observation: those who disagree, instead of calling OP a parasite, maybe engage in a discussion? It's good that he's aspiring for a career, and to be honest, the vast majority of people his age don't care about politics. Young people need to be encouraged to ask these sorts of questions, so they can be more informed when they get to the ballot box. You aren't going to change his mind by insulting him or having a go at him for his aspirations. Grow up.

That does go both ways, OP has straight up ignored any corrections of their claims in favour of just spouting propaganda about "muh party of borrowing"

Also, all landlords are parasites.

Why do the students commonly want to vote labour?

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