What was so bad about Corbyn?

As I said, many people sucked up the right-wing propaganda.

He was seen as too extreme on the left wing, and due to the median voter theorem, the tories swooped in and gained most of the votes in the middle. This also combined with not taking a definitive stance on Brexit, led to people steering away from him.

That isnt an explanation.
I believe this is where you point out why none of the above were true as you said you would do.

1. Too extreme and left wing.

2. Too willing to impose taxes and get the country into more debt.

3. Outdated dinosaur on economics.

4. Too willing to nationalise.

5. Weak leader in dealing with issues, and running his own party. Bullying, Anti semitism
clkaims etc.

6. Weak on defence, no respect for armed forces or sticking up for the UK when tough defence decisions need to be made.

7. Dubious past acquaintances

The fact that you know this, and he doesn't...

Despite how much noise they make, I know lefties aren't even upset..since

Lefties are right wingers in disguise.

For me, this is the big one: lack of clarity on Brexit which alienated a good deal of his voters and make him look like a weak leader

If you mean that ideologues are essentially the same, regardless of the details of the ideology, then I would agree.

The problem is, when you are a man of principle rather than an opportunist chancer, you can't change what you believe simply in order to be popular with idiots.

I didn't say they "were not true", I said they were "opinion and misrepresentation".


Subjective opinion and misrepresentation. There was nothing "extreme" about his policies and he may have been more left wing that Blair and Miliband, but he still supported a generally capitalist economy.


Imposing more tax reduces debt. Increased spending on public services usually requires extra borrowing. The Tories massively increased the national debt over their 9 years, and will continue to grow it, but most media and commentators "forgot" to mention that.


Subjective opinion. What even is that?


Subjective opinion. Nationalising certain key public services is essential. Notice that no one complains about the NHS or police or fire services being nationalised. Why should water, power and national public transport be any different? They are essential services that every one relies on.


Subjective opinion. You could argue that he was strong for not caving in to demands that Labour accept that criticism of Israeli policy is anti-semitism.


Subjective opinion and unsupported assertion. In what way does he have "no respect for armed forces"? When did he "not stick up for the UK"?


His position on Irish reunification during the 80s and 90s may have been ill-judged on occasion, but it was dialogue and negotiation that ended the troubles, not military force and posturing. And at least he was open about it. The Government and security forces were doing the same thing but in secret, and not only negotiating direct with terrorists, but also facilitating their operation.

Also, some of the accusations in the RW media were simply lies.
Hamas and Hezbollah are also guilty of unjustified violence, but when you are promoting the rights of the Palestinians, you can't really refuse to talk to the Palestinians elected representatives.
This issue shows that he is a man of principle rather than a political opportunist. He conducted talks with these people because he saw it as the right thing to do in the context of promoting peace. A positive rather than a negative.
Modern history has shown us that in such situations it is dialogue and diplomacy that achieves peace, yet he is vilified for doing this and leaders who would simply cause more death and suffering are praised. You couldn't make it up!

No. That's not what I meant. I suppose I mean to say liberals rather than lefties. As you can be liberal but not left wing. And conservative but not right wing. And millions of people in democratic countries think that liberals are full of **** and have ulterior motives or are just disastrously unrealistic and self righteous. And don't really care about progress at all, but are divisive with ironically intolerant propaganda mongering devoid of morality. And also that many liberals can literally afford to be this way because they are not working class. So in the end. They couldn't give a toss what happens in the world.

He was desperate to implement the Will of the People.... just not the British People

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thank goodness we did !! now we have at least 5, probably 10 or more, years of strong and stable government by pragmatic capitalists rather than deranged Soviet fanboys

thank goodness we did !! now we have at least 5, probably 10 or more, years of strong and stable government by pragmatic capitalists rather than deranged Soviet fanboys