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    (Original post by Gears265)
    You claim to support tackling climate change yet you support a man who wants to reopen the coal mines and use it to drive an industrial revolution? Please enlighten me because Corbyn will only see CO2 emissions spike.
    Are you on drugs or something?
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    (Original post by Midlander)
    Maybe if 190 MPs hadn't pathetically abstained on the welfare bill it wouldn't have passed. 'They didn't trust us on welfare' Harman kept saying, which to me suggests they wanted to passively accept the measures which you criticise above.


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    Even Blair looked after vulnerable people. Labour won't turn their backs on that. It's just more effective to get into power and implement policies than it is to oppose the Tories potentially relegation yourselves to another 5 years in opposition.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Although the party got wiped out anyway at the polls with Miliband's rather confused mix of neo-Blairism thinly overlayed with a window dressing of concern about high energy prices and the lack of affordable housing.

    In fact, from the narrow viewpoint of the Labour Party, something like Corbyn may be just what they need to begin the long climb back. I would think they will recover a lot of MPs in Scotland if Corbyn is still in office at the next election. They will struggle to do well in the Midlands, but if Jez has half a brain (and he does) he will mix the socialism with a lot of populist policies and sound calm on aspiration. (He's already done that quite a bit during his campaign.)

    The real difficulty is will he be willing to actually take on leading? At times I've felt that he really wants to continue being a protester rather than a leader. Right after he was elected, he went to join the march on Syria. I support that too, but he needs to try to rethink a lot of how he used to behave as a protest MP.

    The other big issue of his leadership is going to be his London-centric experience. In many ways (albeit different ways) he's another typical Islington leftie and that isn't exactly a popular group nationally. He often sounded over-absorbed in London issues on the stump. He has to break out of that, which will be difficult for him, as he has only ever been a London backbench member with no other responsibilities.
    I don't think theylle recover more than 1 or two MPs in Scotland - its nationalism that drove the SNP' to power not socialism (polls of SNP voters have shown their political beliefs to be further right than labour voters). Scotland is no further left than the rest of the country when it comes down to it.

    He won't draw any voters from outside the industrial inner city areas which labour already hold. I know this, I campaigned in nuneaton and dudley last election.

    The real telling factor will be whether he chooses Angela eagle as shadow chancellor. If its Jim McDonell the party's (even more) ****ed.
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Are you on drugs or something?
    He's looking for an argument that isn't there.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Even Blair looked after vulnerable people. Labour won't turn their backs on that. It's just more effective to get into power and implement policies than it is to oppose the Tories potentially relegation yourselves to another 5 years in opposition.
    If you don't oppose them what is the point?


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    (Original post by redferry)
    I don't think theylle recover more than 1 or two MPs in Scotland - its nationalism that drove the SNP' to power not socialism (polls of SNP voters have shown their political beliefs to be further right than labour voters). Scotland is no further left than the rest of the country when it comes down to it.

    He won't draw any voters from outside the industrial inner city areas which labour already hold. I know this, I campaigned in nuneaton and dudley last election.

    The real telling factor will be whether he chooses Angela eagle as shadow chancellor. If its Jim McDonell the party's (even more) ****ed.
    As a voter in Scotland I can tell you that shifting to the right to win Middle England has sunk the party here. Voting Labour offers something voting SNP does not, which is a party that can win power at Westminster.


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    (Original post by Midlander)
    If you don't oppose them what is the point?


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    Tabling amendments is not the same as not opposing.

    You don't want to end up like the greens in Brighton - forcing pickles to come and set your budget for you. It's about damage limitation.
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    (Original post by Midlander)
    As a voter in Scotland I can tell you that shifting to the right to win Middle England has sunk the party here. Voting Labour offers something voting SNP does not, which is a party that can win power at Westminster.


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    As a non Scot you are disregarding the nationalist pull.

    As a midlander you should understand this tactic won't bring any extra seats in the Midlands.
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    (Original post by SCIENCE :D)
    If Corbryn ever became Prime minister I hope He introduces an act into parliament, whereby an employee can not be discriminated against for their appearance, e.g facial hair, tattoos, hair styles, by employees. I mean it is about time, we do live in the 21st century, Corbryn seems like the type of guy who would be for this.
    Hahaha what a joke. How old are you?
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    (Original post by redferry)
    As a non Scot you are disregarding the nationalist pull.

    As a midlander you should understand this tactic won't bring any extra seats in the Midlands.
    I see people saying 'I didn't leave Labour, it left me', calling Labour candidates 'red Tories' and the SNP thriving off every time Labour sides with the Tories on a given issue. I am not Scottish but have lived here long enough to see why the Labour vote has evaporated. As for the Midlands argument I see the vast majority of urban constituencies voting Labour regardless of how awful the leader is but the less certain ones in my mind could be won round by a leader who engages with them in the manner Corbyn has done for months. Putting across his view, allowing people to question him directly.

    David Cameron's 'Northern Powerhouse', ignoring the Midlands entirely, cannot count in his favour.


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    Hahaha what a joke. How old are you?
    I struggle to see the joke sir, why should someone be discriminated against for the way they look?
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Tabling amendments is not the same as not opposing.

    You don't want to end up like the greens in Brighton - forcing pickles to come and set your budget for you. It's about damage limitation.
    The fact is that if every Labour MP had voted against it would not have gone through and the Tories would have had to go back to the drawing board. They abstained because they were too afraid of standing out on something that might displease right wingers.

    When you are in opposition you must hold the government to the highest scrutiny you can. So far we have seen passive acceptance.




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    (Original post by Midlander)
    I see people saying 'I didn't leave Labour, it left me', calling Labour candidates 'red Tories' and the SNP thriving off every time Labour sides with the Tories on a given issue. I am not Scottish but have lived here long enough to see why the Labour vote has evaporated. As for the Midlands argument I see the vast majority of urban constituencies voting Labour regardless of how awful the leader is but the less certain ones in my mind could be won round by a leader who engages with them in the manner Corbyn has done for months. Putting across his view, allowing people to question him directly.

    David Cameron's 'Northern Powerhouse', ignoring the Midlands entirely, cannot count in his favour.


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    Yeah but winning already Labour seats in the midlands is irrelevant to the election outcome. Clearly Labour aren't about to lose Birmingham, especially after finally ridding it of Respect and the Lib Dems (although keep an eye on Yardley).

    Places like Dudley though, I could never see them voting Corbyn. Met so many UKIPperss on the doorstep, and not 'labour doesn't have working people at heart' kippers, full blow I hate muslims kippers. Then there's all the suburbs, no way in hell they'lle vote conservative. They'lle think he's 'anti-aspiration' and will hate any extra tax.
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    (Original post by Midlander)
    The fact is that if every Labour MP had voted against it would not have gone through and the Tories would have had to go back to the drawing board. They abstained because they were too afraid of standing out on something that might displease right wingers.

    When you are in opposition you must hold the government to the highest scrutiny you can. So far we have seen passive acceptance.




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    They were afraid of being painted as the party for people on benefits (again!) because that is one of the biggest complaints we get on the doorstep.
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    (Original post by Mister Morality)
    Substituting actual policies that benefit the working class vs. Getting in to power for the sake of it. Hmm... I think Corbyn is the right choice compared to the Blairite ceonies.
    You realise you're just reasserting your original position here? Why bother replying to me if you're not going to address a single thing I said?

    The point is that your 'policies' mean nothing if you can't put them into effect. Nothing. The labour party is now pretty much the equivalent of an angry, scraggly old man in a pub ranting about how we should get rid of the monarchy. Principled, maybe, but completely irrelevant and also completely out of tune with the general population.

    To be fair, I don't really see Burnham winning in 2020 either, absent some monumental ****-up on the Tory side. The point remains that a political party that has given up on trying to make itself marketable to the electorate in favour of saying whatever it wants is a genuine waste of bench space that could be occupied by people who actually want to do something.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    You realise you're just reasserting your original position here? Why bother replying to me if you're not going to address a single thing I said?

    The point is that your 'policies' mean nothing if you can't put them into effect. Nothing. The labour party is now pretty much the equivalent of an angry, scraggly old man in a pub ranting about how we should get rid of the monarchy. Principled, maybe, but completely irrelevant and also completely out of tune with the general population.

    To be fair, I don't really see Burnham winning in 2020 either, absent some monumental ****-up on the Tory side. The point remains that a political party that has given up on trying to make itself marketable to the electorate in favour of saying whatever it wants is a genuine waste of bench space that could be occupied by people who actually want to do something.
    Margaret Thatcher was allowed to shift the political debate firmly to the right, even saying Tony Blair and New Labour was her greatest achievement, the population haven't had a chance to be subject to a left wing debate in a long time, oh - apart from in Scotland (and we all know what happened there)

    Can we stop obsessing with electability arguments? If Jeremy communicates a coherent vision for the future, the public will buy in to him.
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    (Original post by Patrick2810)
    Margaret Thatcher was allowed to shift the political debate firmly to the right, even saying Tony Blair and New Labour was her greatest achievement, the population haven't had a chance to be subject to a left wing debate in a long time, oh - apart from in Scotland (and we all know what happened there)

    Can we stop obsessing with electability arguments? If Jeremy communicates a coherent vision for the future, the public will buy in to him.
    If you think the SNP surge was about left vs right you weren't paying attention.

    We shall see, I suppose. If he stays where he is long enough.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Anyone who was not already a member could pay £3 to vote in it basically.

    Who would you have voted for?
    I see. I would have voted if I'd known about it and had done some research into it but I've been so busy with work that I barely know whats happening in the news. I had no clue it was going on and I've got no opinion of Corbyn since I haven't a clue who he is or what his opinions are .
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    I've heard corbyns plan for energy needs is to reopen coal mines??

    Congrats on your carbon friendly plan...

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    I think this might be interesting, consider all the plans that Tories have...
 
 
 
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