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    (Original post by Airfairy)
    I'm a bit annoyed. I don't know how many hours you lot are supposed to be up to, but I am supposed to do 10-12. I am on placement at a school that is a school direct school and there's six other trainees there doing school direct (still with my uni). They do 12 hours over four days, I do 12 hours over five days. So I have an advantage in that I get more frees. They are in conferences on Fridays.

    My professional mentor today said that the school direct trainees are on much more closer to a fuller timetable than me, so they may add hours to my timetable. I think this is really unfair because I am supposed to do 12, just like them, and it is not my fault my PGCE is structured so that I am in on Fridays. It is an advantage that I have over SD, and I want to keep it. Yet at the same time I feel I would look bad if I complain. :dontknow:
    In that situation I'd bring in the course handbook or wherever it says your hours required and say "Oh by the way I looked it u p and turns out were only meant to do 10-12 so we're sorted!" As if you thought they only planned on giving you more as they thought it might be needed for the course. Alternatively to the handbook you could email your tutor and ask how many hours are needed then do the same.

    Also consider adding a couple of 'tasks' to your frees. Like saying "Oh, the uni/my tutor suggested I go observe X during a free" to show them the time is needed and remind them they shouldn't be taking it away.

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    (Original post by Airfairy)
    I'm a bit annoyed. I don't know how many hours you lot are supposed to be up to, but I am supposed to do 10-12. I am on placement at a school that is a school direct school and there's six other trainees there doing school direct (still with my uni). They do 12 hours over four days, I do 12 hours over five days. So I have an advantage in that I get more frees. They are in conferences on Fridays.

    My professional mentor today said that the school direct trainees are on much more closer to a fuller timetable than me, so they may add hours to my timetable. I think this is really unfair because I am supposed to do 12, just like them, and it is not my fault my PGCE is structured so that I am in on Fridays. It is an advantage that I have over SD, and I want to keep it. Yet at the same time I feel I would look bad if I complain. :dontknow:
    If you are ready for more hours and can cope with more hours, I suggest you do it. Anything that can lessen the blow of September and a full teaching timetable! I did the School Direct route and I had a much higher teaching load on placement than the classic PGCErs, and last September hit me like a train. (Jus sayin haha)
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    I completely understand. What are your thoughts on actually doing the job when you finish?
    At the moment, absolute dread to be honest. I really cant see things improving at the moment.
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    (Original post by kpwxx)
    In that situation I'd bring in the course handbook or wherever it says your hours required and say "Oh by the way I looked it u p and turns out were only meant to do 10-12 so we're sorted!" As if you thought they only planned on giving you more as they thought it might be needed for the course. Alternatively to the handbook you could email your tutor and ask how many hours are needed then do the same.

    Also consider adding a couple of 'tasks' to your frees. Like saying "Oh, the uni/my tutor suggested I go observe X during a free" to show them the time is needed and remind them they shouldn't be taking it away.

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    Thanks, that's a good idea. Subtle but effective. I may mention the handbook to my mentor on Thursday and possibly doing some observations!

    (Original post by rachel.h)
    If you are ready for more hours and can cope with more hours, I suggest you do it. Anything that can lessen the blow of September and a full teaching timetable! I did the School Direct route and I had a much higher teaching load on placement than the classic PGCErs, and last September hit me like a train. (Jus sayin haha)
    To be completely honest, because I don't want to teach anymore, I am just looking to get the pgce done as easily as possible without any unnecessary extra work. If I was going to be picking up an NQT timetable in September then I'd definitely see more hours as beneficial preparation though. I am stressed out enough on these hours. I cannot imagine doing double.


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    Thanks. I was rated pretty badly by that school though. I'm just worried they'll see my application and laugh! My next application is due in the next few days so I guess I'll finish that and make a decision then.
    I echo what everyone else has said - go for it. At worst you just won't be invited to interview, but more likely you'll get some interview practice and may end up working at a school you really enjoy. I highly doubt they'd word an advert to discourage you - if they wanted to do that they likely would have asked your mentor to discuss it with you.


    (Original post by Airfairy)
    I'm a bit annoyed. I don't know how many hours you lot are supposed to be up to, but I am supposed to do 10-12. I am on placement at a school that is a school direct school and there's six other trainees there doing school direct (still with my uni). They do 12 hours over four days, I do 12 hours over five days. So I have an advantage in that I get more frees. They are in conferences on Fridays.

    My professional mentor today said that the school direct trainees are on much more closer to a fuller timetable than me, so they may add hours to my timetable. I think this is really unfair because I am supposed to do 12, just like them, and it is not my fault my PGCE is structured so that I am in on Fridays. It is an advantage that I have over SD, and I want to keep it. Yet at the same time I feel I would look bad if I complain. :dontknow:
    If you don't want to do the extra hours, then you definitely don't have to do them! I'd go with the ideas already suggested, particularly using your course handbook, and then if that fails e-mail your tutor. On my course they've had to wade in for a number of pupils being put upon by schools, and it tends to resolve itself quickly (some schools try to take advantage, but most just don't read the handbooks themselves and need a prod from the university to do so).
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    At the moment, absolute dread to be honest. I really cant see things improving at the moment.
    This is so sad. I worry about what is going to happen to the profession.
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    This is so sad. I worry about what is going to happen to the profession.
    Honestly thing im going to have declare a mental health day today. I just need a day to reset and think things through. Cant face going in and just need to call someone and talk stuff through about where im going. But i feel so guilty doing it
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    Honestly thing im going to have declare a mental health day today. I just need a day to reset and think things through. Cant face going in and just need to call someone and talk stuff through about where im going. But i feel so guilty doing it
    You shouldn't feel guilty at all. It's ok to take a day to reset. I hope things get better for you. Aw man wish I could help :hugs:

    Remember that you are doing a grand job and that it takes real guts and perseverance to do this course. You should be really proud of yourself.
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    Honestly thing im going to have declare a mental health day today. I just need a day to reset and think things through. Cant face going in and just need to call someone and talk stuff through about where im going. But i feel so guilty doing it
    Call in and then if you feel upto it see if you can make an appointment with your doctor and the disability team at university. They are absolute lifesavers and they'll do what they can to help make your life easier.

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    Call in and then if you feel upto it see if you can make an appointment with your doctor and the disability team at university. They are absolute lifesavers and they'll do what they can to help make your life easier.

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    Ive contacted my tutor and hes sorting out school etc and says we will have a meeting on friday when i was due in uni anyway to discuss everything.
    I struggled with severe anxiety 2 years ago due to a mixture of factors and the group that gave me cbt have a helpline number for those that theyve treated in case they need support so planning to ring them later today and go from there.
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    Honestly thing im going to have declare a mental health day today. I just need a day to reset and think things through. Cant face going in and just need to call someone and talk stuff through about where im going. But i feel so guilty doing it
    Nobody's job should give them mental health issues. The whole system is rife with pointless things which add to the burden of dealing with kids, which is problematic enough in today's world. It's something I feel very strongly about but there seems to be a common sense shortfall in the people who make decisions about education. To be honest, and I say this as someone who walked away from a different profession before going into teaching because it was making me ill, I would give serious thought as to whether you still want to do this job. It is not defeatist to recognise that it has pressure points you can't deal with. You need to find the right fit for a job which you will be doing for getting on for 40 years and the thought of being in the state you are in for that length of time would certainly put me off. There are other careers, and you are young enough to find one. I wish you all the best.
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)
    Nobody's job should give them mental health issues. The whole system is rife with pointless things which add to the burden of dealing with kids, which is problematic enough in today's world. It's something I feel very strongly about but there seems to be a common sense shortfall in the people who make decisions about education. To be honest, and I say this as someone who walked away from a different profession before going into teaching because it was making me ill, I would give serious thought as to whether you still want to do this job. It is not defeatist to recognise that it has pressure points you can't deal with. You need to find the right fit for a job which you will be doing for getting on for 40 years and the thought of being in the state you are in for that length of time would certainly put me off. There are other careers, and you are young enough to find one. I wish you all the best.
    Thank you. After chatting to my husband at 5am this morning (he wasnt overly grateful i must say ) he wants to find out what the financial implications of me walking away are as hes concerned for my health, as is my mum, and it might be best if i leave the teaching to those stronger than myself and go back to managing computer systems in a quiet office with a cup of tea (my previous role).
    Just cant afford to leave if they demand all their money back :/ but definately need advice on not moving forward to my nqt year
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    Thank you. After chatting to my husband at 5am this morning (he wasnt overly grateful i must say ) he wants to find out what the financial implications of me walking away are as hes concerned for my health, as is my mum, and it might be best if i leave the teaching to those stronger than myself and go back to managing computer systems in a quiet office with a cup of tea (my previous role).
    Just cant afford to leave if they demand all their money back :/ but definately need advice on not moving forward to my nqt year
    Is your money from student finance? If so if you drop out due to medical reasons you're still entitled to the same funding for up to 60 days afterwards (which would take you up to the next payment date so what you owe from this term would be added to what you already owe and paid back when you earn over the threshold although you'd pay back most of the payment for the summer term if you're paid that); you'd have to send in a doctors note though. Even in cases when someone drops out due to non-medical reasons they can arrange to pay it back in instalments. I don't know if its different because I did FE but you don't pay the bursary back; the payments just get stopped and you get the remainder if/when you decide to go back to it. That was one of the reasons I didn't drop out sooner.
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    Thank you. After chatting to my husband at 5am this morning (he wasnt overly grateful i must say ) he wants to find out what the financial implications of me walking away are as hes concerned for my health, as is my mum, and it might be best if i leave the teaching to those stronger than myself and go back to managing computer systems in a quiet office with a cup of tea (my previous role).
    Just cant afford to leave if they demand all their money back :/ but definately need advice on not moving forward to my nqt year
    Gemmam has some useful advice above - it's not my area, I'm afraid. We also have a student finance forum you can ask about it in.

    Managing computer systems sounds very nice, tbh.
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    Thanks guys, theres been a bit of debating and thinking and talking to people today and with essentially 6 weeks left or so i should really just try and stick it out to the end i guess. It seems such a waste not too. Just have to decide whether i want to do my nqt year
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    Thank you. After chatting to my husband at 5am this morning (he wasnt overly grateful i must say ) he wants to find out what the financial implications of me walking away are as hes concerned for my health, as is my mum, and it might be best if i leave the teaching to those stronger than myself and go back to managing computer systems in a quiet office with a cup of tea (my previous role).
    Just cant afford to leave if they demand all their money back :/ but definately need advice on not moving forward to my nqt year

    (Original post by gemmam)
    Is your money from student finance? If so if you drop out due to medical reasons you're still entitled to the same funding for up to 60 days afterwards (which would take you up to the next payment date so what you owe from this term would be added to what you already owe and paid back when you earn over the threshold although you'd pay back most of the payment for the summer term if you're paid that); you'd have to send in a doctors note though. Even in cases when someone drops out due to non-medical reasons they can arrange to pay it back in instalments. I don't know if its different because I did FE but you don't pay the bursary back; the payments just get stopped and you get the remainder if/when you decide to go back to it. That was one of the reasons I didn't drop out sooner.
    Some good advice here.

    As a word of caution though (health reasons may make a difference) if you drop out on the 11-18 PGCE, you are required to pay back whatever bursary you have already been awarded.

    It's a reason I didnt quit in November when I was hating it.

    I will also say, the PGCE is so hard because of the disparity between placements.

    I dreaded waking up and going to school most of placement 1 and now I wake up feeling excited and actually wanting to teach.
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    Thanks guys, theres been a bit of debating and thinking and talking to people today and with essentially 6 weeks left or so i should really just try and stick it out to the end i guess. It seems such a waste not too. Just have to decide whether i want to do my nqt year
    You don't need to do NQT straight after the PGCE (I think you have five years after completing the PGCE to start it?) so you can take a year or two out to decide.
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    (Original post by gemmam)
    You don't need to do NQT straight after the PGCE (I think you have five years after completing the PGCE to start it?) so you can take a year or two out to decide.
    My issue is i accepted an offer in december when i was still super enthusiastic so id have to go back to an employer and decline the role i previously accepted
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    (Original post by Ratchit99)
    My issue is i accepted an offer in december when i was still super enthusiastic so id have to go back to an employer and decline the role i previously accepted
    Ah I see.
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    (Original post by gemmam)
    You don't need to do NQT straight after the PGCE (I think you have five years after completing the PGCE to start it?) so you can take a year or two out to decide.
    It's actually an unlimited time limit. The five years refers to how long you can do short term supply work for after qualifying without starting NQT. So after the five years you then HAVE to take on an NQT position to continue to teach in local authority schools.

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