What race are the white British

*Last person who spoke it and only spoke Cornish.

The White British peoples are largely decendants of the indigenous peoples who where here even before the celts. This is seen in the strong presense of the R1b haplogroup.. However even though small, the Saxon/Celtic/Roman comings have seen a little effect. But this does not mean we are 'mongrels' as the liberals like to say as an excuse to destroy our race, as all of these groups are northern European and virtually the same genetically

English = a mixture of Anglo-Saxons, Scandanavians and Normans in that order. In essence 'Germanic', a point to note is that the Anglo-Saxons and Scandanavians are very closely related in terms of ethnicity.
Scottish = Lowlanders are pretty much the same as the English, Highlanders are Celtic.
Wales and Cornwall = Celtic, the remenants of the original Romano-British inhabitants of Britain.
Northern Irish = a mixed bag of Celtic Irish and English and Scottish immigrants.

The historical record, place names and the language we speak now all heavily suggest that the Anglo-Saxons emmigrated here en masse and displaced the native Britons and pushed them into Cornwall and Wales where they managed to cling on. Recent DNA surveys including one by Oxford University have largely backed up this idea.


There is the Oppenheimer theory that the people of Britain are largely unchanged since the Ice Age and descend from a Basque population but this is highly contested. It doesn't match the historio-social evidence we have nor the linguistic evidence. A number of DNA surveys have produced results rejecting it aswell. However there are some people that still believe it.

Britain is a multi-racial country and NOT a white nation.

We are becoming a mix race country full of all sorts of humans. The world is becoming mixed race and the day we have a one world government or larger autonomous states the better, the human race well serve better that way rather than with pointless nationalism.

tell that to the Tibetans,


britain is not multiracial

go to cornwall, norfolk, parts of wales. It is white.

tell that to the Tibetans,


britain is not multiracial

go to cornwall, norfolk, parts of wales. It is white.

Are we Anglo Saxon ?
Roman ?
Celtic ?
Norman ?
Aryan/Nordic ?

Or is each race concentrated in different areas , like Cornwall , Norfolk etc who are different racially ?

It isnt highly contested, it is pretty much agreed upon given that DNA mapping is many more times more accurate than "historio-social evidence " whatever that is. And the scientific findings dont say the basques were largely unchanged, it says they were the original people in these isles, and later their genetics have been altered in part by arrival of normans, saxons, romans, vikings, gauls, and all the various intermixing of central european and north african genes that they themselves would have brought over.
There will be no linguistic evidence of the Basques because there is no linguistic evidence in any part of the world of languages that go as far back as the Ice age

They may look white to you, but that wont tell you much about their genetic history.
Interstingly no one here has mentioned the black genes that have been floating around the uk for couple of thousand years either. Shows how much lack of knowledge the brits have of their own history. This may make the right wing occupants of TSR choke on their coco-pops but lots of romans were black and settled in this country - Emporer Septimus Severus - one of the past rulers of ancient briton was a black phonecian.

Erm no, as I said both Oxford and UCL have undertaken genetic surveys that backs up the majority Germanic and Celtic on the fringes hypothesis. Combined with the historical and social evidence, this gives that theory a much stronger basis.

Oppenheimer isn't accepted by many people. It's an interesting theory but plenty of studies have found evidence which outright refutes what he says.

Are we Anglo Saxon ?
Roman ?
Celtic ?
Norman ?
Aryan/Nordic ?

Or is each race concentrated in different areas , like Cornwall , Norfolk etc who are different racially ?

yes there are black people who have been here for thousands of years

but majority rules,

and Britain is 92 white - 80 per cent white British,

Other than the fact I don't think you can really differentiate with "races" like that I'll bite as a historian...

The "Normans" would have been of "Nordic" stock. "Aryan" to describe Germanics is a malapropism due to shoddy 19th century scholarship and properly is applied to North Indians and Persians. Romans were noticeably mediterranean even before it became a civic status.

How about we just seperate it into English, Welsh and Scottish and be done with it? That way everyone is happy.

EDIT: Ok with the Oppenheimer study, people on TSR don't seem to understand how History works. We don't follow people like "prophets" and the study is very, very, flawed especially due to his insanely poor grasp of Indo-European linguistics. Seriously most beginning students would be shocked and appaled for some of his errors in that area i.e proposing a much earlier seperate of the Celtic branch and so on. Do stop now.

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Half of those quotes you just provided didn't say that the professors agreed with this thesis merely that it was interesting and contributed to knowledge of the subject, which is what everyone says. The scientific method is all about thesis and antithesis and reaching the truth via them. Anyways;

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/e-h/face.html -> DNA Survey by Channel 4, Oxford University and the Wellcome Trust. Provides evidence that England and Lowland Scotland is heavily Germanic with the fringes Celtic.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-396406/Were-Germans--1-600-years.html -> Directly quotes a UCL study and UCL Professor stating that his research has shown the Germanic links.


Like I said it's heavily disputed, there's two sides to the argument. However the linguistic evidence is overwhelming. There are very few instances of small populations of people imposing their language upon a majority before the Modern Day. The Modern day is different because we have things like standardised nationwide education systems, mass media etc, so it is easier to impose a language upon people. Back in Ancient times and Medieval times it was much harder.

Examples of this would be the Polish language surviving despite dominance by German and Russian, Catalan surviving in Catalunya despite Castillian attempts to stamp it out, the way that the languages France, Spain, Italy etc speak derive from the majority vulgar Latin and not the minority languages of the Germanic invaders that took over those lands when the Roman Empire fell. Even Norman French was overwhelmed by the majority English, and it's lexical contributions were in areas related to government and educated subjects as you would expect given the nobility and government were Norman. Thus historical evidence suggests that for Old English to have replaced Romano-British (or what we call Welsh now), the Anglo-Saxons had to have migrated in large numbers and a great catastrophe occured to the Romano-British in what is now England. Which is further backed up by the UCL/Oxford studies I've quoted. Majority populations do not just throw away their language, it doesn't happen in this time period. Full stop. Furthermore the remaining Celtic placenames in England tend to be in areas where the Celtic population lingered in, such as Devon and Cornwall, which further emphasises this theory.

Oppenheimer and his adherents are known as revisionists for a reason, especially when other DNA surveys have produced contrary opinion backing up the traditional view.

The channel 4 made for TV audience prgram tells us nothing apart from looking at some anglo saxon skulls. There are hardly any remants of british ice-age man held to make any comparasive study

There may be those oppossed to the oppheimer study and have differring opinions but then there are people are oppossed ti the theory of evolution.His is the most widely accepted study in this field.

. Remember this was a process that took hundreds of years, from around 400AD to about 900AD, it wasn't like the Anglo-Saxons just came over the seas in one mass wave, killed or chased away all the Britons in a year and that was that. It's a very poorly understand period of time by the public.