Why are so many young people/students socialist or communist?

That's like saying if you're strong, patriotic and courageous, why aren't you fighting in Afghanistan? It's an utter non sequitur.

The irony of a 25 year old kid saying all this hasn't gone unnoticed.

Actually IQ isn't an accurate measure of intelligence. I didn't say all poor people were stupid, just that if you're intelligent, well, why are you pregnant at 16 without 5 GCSEs at A-C?

Because people can't be arsed to get off their arses and do it for themselves, they want someone else to.

Accident? Drunken mistake? I went to a grammar and every year there were a couple of ostensibly clever, sensible girls who got pregnant.

Any empirical evidence for this? The majority of people who receive benefits/live in poverty are actually employed, you know. It's easy for someone from a well off background, who's received a lot of advantages, to say "life is what you make of it" - show some awareness that other people aren't as fortunate as you.

I accept that, but if that were the case, we would have far less teen pregnancy than we have now.

Life is what you make it though.

You can sit at home whining about life being unfair, or you can get out there, give it your best and make it. I have no sympathy for those who don't try.

For every 1,000 girls between 15 and 17 there are around 40 pregancies.

Repeating something doesn't make it true.

And now you've shifted to goal posts to "trying". It is of course a fallacy to claim that everyone who tries, succeeds because it's patently not true. You or someone you know must have given their all to something and not got what they wanted.

And what about under 15s? It exists.

Screaming about inequality doesn't make you richer.

Of course, so you try again. You don't give up. You keep at it, and if you want it badly enough, you can do it. It might not be easy, it might not be immidiate, but it is certainly possible.

7.8 per 1000 in girls 13-15.

Logically impossible. If (e.g.) 100,000 people desperately want to be a football player for Arsenal it's simply not possible. Try to apply some logic to this situation.

Logically impossible. If (e.g.) 100,000 people desperately want to be a football player for Arsenal it's simply not possible. Try to apply some logic to this situation.

Together with the other number, it's still too high.

And if it fails, you try something else. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Using your logic, you try and fail to be a football player for arsenal, so you decide you would have more of a chance being a football player for a different team. It's called common sense

It roughly equals about 2.4% of teenage girls getting pregnant (of whom about 50% have an abortion). That means about 1.2% of teenage girls become mothers. This is not a colossally high number.

So we agree that you can't achieve anything you want - life is not in fact "what you make of it" but is also greatly influenced by other people. Nice to see we agree. Does that mean we can agree that for a great deal of people who are on benefits (the majority of whom *do* work, btw) are not in fact people who are lazy and "haven't got off their arses and done it for themselves" but rather may have had their circumstances influenced by the people around them?

Perhaps if they had more realistic ambitions then they would be able to pay to support their child instead of dreaming of being a celebrity, whilst claiming benefits.

No, we do not agree. I believe those who did not make it did not want it enough.

But you've just argued that people should change what they want if they can't achieve something they may have really wanted! You're impossible to have any kind of discussion with.

You can back that figure of 99% up with a research paper I take it.

Any empirical evidence for this? The majority of people who receive benefits/live in poverty are actually employed, you know. It's easy for someone from a well off background, who's received a lot of advantages, to say "life is what you make of it" - show some awareness that other people aren't as fortunate as you.

25 and kid. ?
Don't really go together.
anyway I'm also from the that's THE poorest housing estate in europe .
I find work but sit back and watch while immigrants, young teen trampy mothers and junkies get everything.you don't need to be older than twenty five to realise that's WRONG.

WRONG, UNJUST,IMMORAL,

Derp? It was an allegorical example to counter lipstickkisses' argument that you could just "get out there" and achieve what you want. This is of course not true. I hope you too are aware that the majority of people claiming benefits do actually work, right?

If someone cannot do it, they do not want it, as when there's a will there is a way. If they still wanted to do it, they could work for a smaller club and get noticed then get a transfer instead of starting there. If you want it badly enough, eventually you will do it.