Why are so many people aged 18-64 not working?
I read an article that a lot of people aged 18-64 are not longer working or retired
Because covid forced a lot of people to revaluation their priorities.
Also were governed by workshy grifters setting bad examples.
Also were governed by workshy grifters setting bad examples.
18-64 is basically the entire workforce. I should hope atleast 90% of those people are working! Albeit many jobs are being replaced by automation and AI, some are being outsourced to other countries (with the rise of remote work being the norm in many industries).
I remember reading when the day comes that enough of us are no longer employable, we won’t need a minimum wage, but rather a “guaranteed minimum income” and the only way to do that is to take a page out of the Communist Manifesto…
I remember reading when the day comes that enough of us are no longer employable, we won’t need a minimum wage, but rather a “guaranteed minimum income” and the only way to do that is to take a page out of the Communist Manifesto…
I was briefly a Work Coach in a job centre for Universal Credit (UC) claimants age 25-49 in an urban area where there were pockets of high deprivation and which is a major asylum seeker processing/resettlement hub.
Hope this partial snapshot from a small area of the UK gives insight into this.
Someone with 2 years National Insurance contributions from employment could get new style Job Seekers Allowance for a 6 month period - they tended to move swiftly back into employment.
So someone claiming UC tends to (but not always) have little recent work experience and/or long term benefit dependency.
I can only speak for my particular postcode area as each will have different demographics but around 80-90 % of those I supported had multiple barriers into employment and/or complex needs and were not immediately work ready.
Up to a quarter of my caseload could not speak English with perhaps another quarter having some level of English.
I'd estimate that no more than 20% of my caseload were born in this country (by this, I mean that only a minority were fluent native English speakers).
A large minority could not read or write in any language (illiterate).
A large minority reported that they had no or little digital or PC skills or limited access to devices or broadband.
Up to 40% of my case load reported general health issues with around half or more of these reporting it impacts their ability to look for or take up work. This included those with substance abuse/addiction issues.
A very large percentage did not have any qualifications, skills, education or work experience.
I had some college and University graduates on my caseload. It's hard to estimate from a fluctuating caseload but it was a minority.
Many reported low confidence in being able to produce a CV, find vacancies or apply for jobs without significant support.
Some were lone parents with limited childcare support.
Some reported that they had informal caring responsibilities (supporting children and adults who do not receive health or disability benefits - i.e. they were not receiving Carers Allowance as those in receipt of CA have no requirement to seek work).
Some had criminal records, including the most serious types of convictions.
Some were homeless and in temporary or supported housing. This meant that as their housing benefit was so high, they could not take up employment until they were in settled housing - their rent is far higher than their income would be from working.
A few were from Care Experienced backgrounds.
It was not unusual for a female UC customer who had primary care of children (and their male partner) to request that the female in the partnership to be exempt from job seeking. UC, however, requires lone parents and women in couples with low household income to take up employment once their youngest child turns 3.
Many on my caseload expressed a preference to work part time when Universal Credit expects them to work at least 30 hours per week.
UC can be claimed indefinitely (in some countries benefits are time limited).
Hope this partial snapshot from a small area of the UK gives insight into this.
Someone with 2 years National Insurance contributions from employment could get new style Job Seekers Allowance for a 6 month period - they tended to move swiftly back into employment.
So someone claiming UC tends to (but not always) have little recent work experience and/or long term benefit dependency.
I can only speak for my particular postcode area as each will have different demographics but around 80-90 % of those I supported had multiple barriers into employment and/or complex needs and were not immediately work ready.
Up to a quarter of my caseload could not speak English with perhaps another quarter having some level of English.
I'd estimate that no more than 20% of my caseload were born in this country (by this, I mean that only a minority were fluent native English speakers).
A large minority could not read or write in any language (illiterate).
A large minority reported that they had no or little digital or PC skills or limited access to devices or broadband.
Up to 40% of my case load reported general health issues with around half or more of these reporting it impacts their ability to look for or take up work. This included those with substance abuse/addiction issues.
A very large percentage did not have any qualifications, skills, education or work experience.
I had some college and University graduates on my caseload. It's hard to estimate from a fluctuating caseload but it was a minority.
Many reported low confidence in being able to produce a CV, find vacancies or apply for jobs without significant support.
Some were lone parents with limited childcare support.
Some reported that they had informal caring responsibilities (supporting children and adults who do not receive health or disability benefits - i.e. they were not receiving Carers Allowance as those in receipt of CA have no requirement to seek work).
Some had criminal records, including the most serious types of convictions.
Some were homeless and in temporary or supported housing. This meant that as their housing benefit was so high, they could not take up employment until they were in settled housing - their rent is far higher than their income would be from working.
A few were from Care Experienced backgrounds.
It was not unusual for a female UC customer who had primary care of children (and their male partner) to request that the female in the partnership to be exempt from job seeking. UC, however, requires lone parents and women in couples with low household income to take up employment once their youngest child turns 3.
Many on my caseload expressed a preference to work part time when Universal Credit expects them to work at least 30 hours per week.
UC can be claimed indefinitely (in some countries benefits are time limited).
Original post by Peter100121
I read an article that a lot of people aged 18-64 are not longer working or retired
Didn't the article yell you?
Original post by ZestyJoe
18-64 is basically the entire workforce. I should hope atleast 90% of those people are working! Albeit many jobs are being replaced by automation and AI, some are being outsourced to other countries (with the rise of remote work being the norm in many industries).
I remember reading when the day comes that enough of us are no longer employable, we won’t need a minimum wage, but rather a “guaranteed minimum income” and the only way to do that is to take a page out of the Communist Manifesto…
I remember reading when the day comes that enough of us are no longer employable, we won’t need a minimum wage, but rather a “guaranteed minimum income” and the only way to do that is to take a page out of the Communist Manifesto…
It is around 22% at the moment and has gone up by 300,000 or so. But given that the population has also grown I am not really sure if this is such a big deal?
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9366/#:~:text=Key%20figures&text=Unemployment%20levels%20increased%20by%20103%2C000,and%20the%20inactivity%20rate%20increased.
It is ironic really. Clearly 22% of the population can afford not to work so in one way or another, they are living the dream. And now we are saying the should get back to work. Odd.
When a state in the US introduced Work Fare (compulsory work placements for the unemployed which obliged them to undertake full time activities to receive welfare payments) their welfare rolls plummeted.
It was assumed that there were 2 reasons for the absolutely massive dip in unemployment claims.
The first theory is that the claimants were so vulnerable, unable to engage because of issues like physical and mental health issues, that they fell through the cracks of official support. They suffered greatly and had to rely on the help of their family, support from their community such as churches, foodbanks and charities.
The second theory is that many claimants worked in the 'black' economy, working in cash in hand jobs and were not available to attend mandatory work placements.
Currently there is a large scale migration from legacy benefits like Tax Credits (very arms length supervision) to the much more intensively monitored Universal Credit system. Around 20% plus simply self exclude and do not transition. Same debate is taking place - why are claimants vanishing?
Similarly some time ago, the DWP piloted 6 month mandatory community placements and full time supervised work search activities for long term unemployed Job Seeker Allowance claimants in 2 areas who had been claiming JSA for at least 2 years.
When introduced, a very large number of the claimants signed off before the programme started for reasons unknown.
It was assumed that there were 2 reasons for the absolutely massive dip in unemployment claims.
The first theory is that the claimants were so vulnerable, unable to engage because of issues like physical and mental health issues, that they fell through the cracks of official support. They suffered greatly and had to rely on the help of their family, support from their community such as churches, foodbanks and charities.
The second theory is that many claimants worked in the 'black' economy, working in cash in hand jobs and were not available to attend mandatory work placements.
Currently there is a large scale migration from legacy benefits like Tax Credits (very arms length supervision) to the much more intensively monitored Universal Credit system. Around 20% plus simply self exclude and do not transition. Same debate is taking place - why are claimants vanishing?
Similarly some time ago, the DWP piloted 6 month mandatory community placements and full time supervised work search activities for long term unemployed Job Seeker Allowance claimants in 2 areas who had been claiming JSA for at least 2 years.
When introduced, a very large number of the claimants signed off before the programme started for reasons unknown.
Original post by Peter100121
I read an article that a lot of people aged 18-64 are not longer working or retired
for me, at 21, i never got a chance to work as a teen and have no experience so physically can't get a job. (my school grades were really bad too). For my dad, in his 50s, he hasn't worked in my lifetime and he quit school at the start of year 11 so he has no qualifications or references in the 21st century to help him along/. Jobs these days requite so many skills that neither of us have and there is nobody giving people a chance these days.
Original post by toppby55
for me, at 21, i never got a chance to work as a teen and have no experience so physically can't get a job. (my school grades were really bad too). For my dad, in his 50s, he hasn't worked in my lifetime and he quit school at the start of year 11 so he has no qualifications or references in the 21st century to help him along/. Jobs these days requite so many skills that neither of us have and there is nobody giving people a chance these days.
This. There needs to be a scheme to get 18-25 year olds with no work experience some experience so they can actually get a job, because employers have no social responsibility and want applicants to have 5 years experience at 20 for a waiting role. Otherwise can't be surprised when people become dependent on the state to feed and shelter themselves.
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