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I'm so annoyed with UCAS character counting in PS

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Original post by josh_v
Adjusting your PS by 16 characters isn't going to affect the flow, the impression or the way it reads. You literally have to change a few words. Your PS is no where near good enough that 16 characters difference is going to have any dramatic impact.

What do you think you are going to do when you have to hand in essays and stick to a word limit? Refuse to do it and say that its unfair because it affects the flow? Get a grip.


at least be positive. there's no need to be impatient.
I wrote mine in Word and found that UCAS overestimated the length of my statement by 16 characters - I think it is the line breaks, as others have said. I totally understand that you're frustrated: my statement was over 8000 characters when I first wrote it, and my 'bare minimum' ended up at about 5000. In order to shorten it I had to entirely remove one book I discussed, and radically trim the detail I went into about the other issues. Remember, at anywhere that interviews they can pick out something on your PS and let you elaborate, so you don't necessarily have to write down everything you know.

Again, as others have said, 16 characters is not a lot. Consider replacing some instances of the word 'and' with an & - although make sure you know when it is grammatically correct to do so. Or take out a 'particularly' or an 'especially', replace longer words with shorter synonyms etc.

Out of interest, what courses are you applying for?
Original post by nerdcake
I wrote mine in Word and found that UCAS overestimated the length of my statement by 16 characters - I think it is the line breaks, as others have said. I totally understand that you're frustrated: my statement was over 8000 characters when I first wrote it, and my 'bare minimum' ended up at about 5000. In order to shorten it I had to entirely remove one book I discussed, and radically trim the detail I went into about the other issues. Remember, at anywhere that interviews they can pick out something on your PS and let you elaborate, so you don't necessarily have to write down everything you know.

Again, as others have said, 16 characters is not a lot. Consider replacing some instances of the word 'and' with an & - although make sure you know when it is grammatically correct to do so. Or take out a 'particularly' or an 'especially', replace longer words with shorter synonyms etc.

Out of interest, what courses are you applying for?


ampersands (&) are great but not that grammatically correct, you'd be better off replacing it with "so" or using a comma...

how many books did you have?!
Reply 23
Original post by josh_v
Adjusting your PS by 16 characters isn't going to affect the flow, the impression or the way it reads. You literally have to change a few words. Your PS is no where near good enough that 16 characters difference is going to have any dramatic impact.

What do you think you are going to do when you have to hand in essays and stick to a word limit? Refuse to do it and say that its unfair because it affects the flow? Get a grip.


Essays are logical. You're given a word limit, and that word limit is met, and handed in. Here, it is miscalculating something, and now I am told I have one line over as well, simply because their statement box is rubbish, and doesn't give you enough room to type the 4000 characters which we are guaranteed! It does change the way it reads, I have been reading it for the whole day, taking out the odd word, and saving it again, and having it tell me AGAIN it's too long, when actually it's absolutely fine. I have been cutting things out, deleting nice phrases, and actually it is really annoying me, so your idiotic comments are not helping. My statement was fine this morning, just how I wanted it, and now because of this thing, I'm having to start over. You haven't read it, you haven't looked at it, so you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. End of.
Reply 24
Original post by Guills on wheels
however, it is more about the information than the flow. The biggest concern would be typos and correct sentence structure. Choice of wording, especially on filler words, or words that are excessively long, is not too important, and in some cases (especially with the latter) the admissions tutors will prefer a statement that has obviously been written by you, and not by a dictionary. If you've got anything that, chances are, someone reading it will have to google, then you could perhaps try changing that :smile:


Thanks for your suggestion :smile: I have changed the phrasing on some things to more simpler forms, and I'm within their definition of the character limit - now I still need to get rid of one line, and that's really confusing me :frown:
Reply 25
Original post by nerdcake
I wrote mine in Word and found that UCAS overestimated the length of my statement by 16 characters - I think it is the line breaks, as others have said. I totally understand that you're frustrated: my statement was over 8000 characters when I first wrote it, and my 'bare minimum' ended up at about 5000. In order to shorten it I had to entirely remove one book I discussed, and radically trim the detail I went into about the other issues. Remember, at anywhere that interviews they can pick out something on your PS and let you elaborate, so you don't necessarily have to write down everything you know.

Again, as others have said, 16 characters is not a lot. Consider replacing some instances of the word 'and' with an & - although make sure you know when it is grammatically correct to do so. Or take out a 'particularly' or an 'especially', replace longer words with shorter synonyms etc.

Out of interest, what courses are you applying for?


Wow, impressive, cutting it down from 8,000! Mine was never over 5, when I first wrote it, so wow. I'm not sure if my universities do interviews, I'm applying to Nottingham and Manchester as my top two? I have taken out so much, and I'm still one line over! :frown: *pulls out hair*

I'm applying to do Modern Foreign Languages :smile: German, and Russian
Reply 26
Original post by YellowJane
Essays are logical. You're given a word limit, and that word limit is met, and handed in. Here, it is miscalculating something, and now I am told I have one line over as well, simply because their statement box is rubbish, and doesn't give you enough room to type the 4000 characters which we are guaranteed! It does change the way it reads, I have been reading it for the whole day, taking out the odd word, and saving it again, and having it tell me AGAIN it's too long, when actually it's absolutely fine. I have been cutting things out, deleting nice phrases, and actually it is really annoying me, so your idiotic comments are not helping. My statement was fine this morning, just how I wanted it, and now because of this thing, I'm having to start over. You haven't read it, you haven't looked at it, so you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. End of.


Considering i have written personal statements for undergrad and achieved 5 offers, and personal statements for masters courses and now study at one of the country's more competitive universities, I'd say I have a fairly good idea about it.
(edited 9 years ago)
You're claiming that UCAS has miscalculated the character count, how do you know it's not Notepad that's counted incorrectly? Unless of course you've sat there and personally counted every single character? :rolleyes:
Original post by Guills on wheels
ampersands (&) are great but not that grammatically correct, you'd be better off replacing it with "so" or using a comma...

how many books did you have?!


Ampersands can be grammatically correct in certain contexts, which I can explain with examples but I'm not sure you're actually interested. This is especially true where the need for brevity is understood so total formality is not expected. Informal language is not the same as incorrect language, and while the language expected in a UCAS form is more formal than that used in average conversation, it is not as formal as (say) a research paper or formal letter. It is meant to sound personal, after all.

Another thought after rereading your comment: the only contexts in which it would make sense to use 'so' instead of 'and' are precisely those in which it is incorrect to use an ampersand. So it is worth using both of our techniques together.

To answer your question: I read a lot. I had four main research topics I wanted to talk about, and could draw on one or two books and a bunch of research papers when I discussed each one. In the end one of the books ended up looking a little isolated and I wasn't sure how much I could elaborate at interview, so I took it out. And two of the topics were connected so I managed to merge them and have it come out sounding good. I also took out a whole load of waffle which I ended up typing because I'm a nerd and I really like talking about science.
Original post by YellowJane
Wow. So despite the fact that they state the length on their website, which I followed fully, and edited my statement to match what they said were their requirements, it's my fault, when they calculate a statement of 3998 characters to be 4016? Hm. Seems to me that it is entirely their fault. Thanks for your sarcasm in the last line there - what are you, one of their employees? If you didn't have anything productive to suggest, please don't post on this thread.


In hindsight, you should have monitored your word count as you made your statement, and used a character count website to verify it.

I wouldn't blame UCAS, it's self-inflicted on your part, so it's nobody's fault. Just a misunderstanding. :smile:

You either should redraft it, cut parts out, or perhaps look for synonyms.

I can guarantee there is something that you could cut out from your statement. Get someone to read it over and they immediately notice what could be cut out/waffle.

I've just finished my statement after 18 redrafts so I understand your pain.
Original post by YellowJane
Wow, impressive, cutting it down from 8,000! Mine was never over 5, when I first wrote it, so wow. I'm not sure if my universities do interviews, I'm applying to Nottingham and Manchester as my top two? I have taken out so much, and I'm still one line over! :frown: *pulls out hair*

I'm applying to do Modern Foreign Languages :smile: German, and Russian


An easy way to check, as it's not always apparent from the uni websites, is to check on the Choices page of Apply. When you put in the uni and course choice, if the uni interviews for that course then a warning appears under the choice, letting you know. I am applying to Manchester as well, although for molecular biology, and I know they interview for that.

Is it possible for you to merge two paragraphs? That would be an easy way to save a line.
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Original post by josh_v
Considering i have written personal statements for undergrad and achieved 5 offers, and personal statements for masters courses and now study at one of the country's more competitive universities, I'd say I have a fairly good idea about it.


Well woop-ee-doo for you! Obviously this means you always know best. *bows*
Reply 32
Original post by greenladybird
You're claiming that UCAS has miscalculated the character count, how do you know it's not Notepad that's counted incorrectly? Unless of course you've sat there and personally counted every single character? :rolleyes:


Both Word and Notepad say the same. UCAS form was the odd one out. Seems unlikely.
Reply 33
Original post by Iggy Azalea
In hindsight, you should have monitored your word count as you made your statement, and used a character count website to verify it.

I wouldn't blame UCAS, it's self-inflicted on your part, so it's nobody's fault. Just a misunderstanding. :smile:

You either should redraft it, cut parts out, or perhaps look for synonyms.

I can guarantee there is something that you could cut out from your statement. Get someone to read it over and they immediately notice what could be cut out/waffle.

I've just finished my statement after 18 redrafts so I understand your pain.


Thanks :smile: 18 redrafts shows commitment though! Good luck with getting offers :smile:
Reply 34
Original post by nerdcake
An easy way to check, as it's not always apparent from the uni websites, is to check on the Choices page of Apply. When you put in the uni and course choice, if the uni interviews for that course then a warning appears under the choice, letting you know. I am applying to Manchester as well, although for molecular biology, and I know they interview for that.

Is it possible for you to merge two paragraphs? That would be an easy way to save a line.


I did exactly that - merging too paragraphs sorted it, and it seems happy now :smile: Thank you for your help!
I didn't know about the sign for interviews, thanks again. I am useless at science so I wish you the best of luck with the molecular biology :wink: I don't think Modern Languages do interview, but who knows! *lol*
Original post by YellowJane
Both Word and Notepad say the same. UCAS form was the odd one out. Seems unlikely.


I'm just saying, don't claim something you have no proof of.
Reply 36
Original post by YellowJane
Well woop-ee-doo for you! Obviously this means you always know best. *bows*


I dont know best, but I clearly know better than you.
Reply 37
Original post by josh_v
I dont know best, but I clearly know better than you.


I disagree, because this is my statement, about me, which I am writing, for a place I want at a university of my choice. How this means you know better, is beyond me. You're just pompous, actually.

Original post by greenladybird
I'm just saying, don't claim something you have no proof of.


Goodness, why so many of you rude people right now!? You're wrong! I do have proof! Jog on - please!
Reply 38
When I wrote it, I did it like (b) :smile: But then when I pasted it in, I put it like (a), so it was all in one :smile: It's worked now :smile:
Original post by Chlorophile
Don't leave lines between paragraphs, just start a new line.

it makes it hella easier to read if you leave a line.

that sort of stuff makes a difference

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