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The link refers to one subpopulation I already said there are some subpopulations that are at risk but in aggregate their population size is stable/increasing. In 2010,

Climates always change by glacial and interglacial cycles that occur over thousands of years, in the past 100,000 years there have been periods where there have been much less and more ice than in recent history. Polar bears survived that. I'm far from an expert on climatology but I can be so modest to say I know a fair bit about polar bears.

I told you that they were vulnerable and not endangered. People have been wrong in predicting polar bear population in the past who's to say they won't be wrong again? I.e it was estimated in the 1980s that the Hudson Bay population would decline to around 600 by 2011, yet today there are over 1000. *

I don't know why you're upset about this I think it's a great relief to know that polar bears aren't quite as endangered as sensational news reports would lead you to believe. A polar bear is a highly adaptable and resilient animal; I'm more concerned about other animals. If the WWF predicts with 70% confidence that the polar bear will have its population reduced by 30% come 2050, that means the chances of them being extinct by 2050 are virtually zero.

https://www.canadiangeographic.ca/ar...ut-polar-bears

Yes you're right the climate does change over thousands of years.There are well known cycles called milankovitch cycles.However the climate is changing much faster than that.Climate change doesn't happen in a couple of centuries.It happens naturally over millennia.So why is this climate change happening over a period of decades? Why do you use science to tell you about the climate thousands of years ago yet not trust it when those very same scientific methods are employed to tell you about the climate today?
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Don't believe everything you're told. I remember seeing something about this a while back and they said that this happens naturally in the wild and would happen even if humans didn't exist, though of course, over fishing and global warming has increased the likelihood of this happening. It's a situation of natural selection and very few times do polar bears get a catch, so it may simply be an unsuccessful hunter and became so weak from being malnourished that it was unable to hunt further. Or it could have an illness.
There is no evidence that the polar bear has become this way, directly because of humans. It can be a number of things and of course, people who are trying to protect the planet and these animals (I totally support them too) will use this to get their message across and it has worked. I don't believe this is the first or last predator to die from starvation.
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its not that heartbreaking, go find a fish or something stupid bear
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Disingenous and manipulative drivel designed to tug at the heart strings of emotional retards who never bother to fact check.

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest this bear is starving due climate change. You can speak to any climate scientist, even the most ardent proponents of anthropogenic climate change, and they will still tell you they are not sure what effect a long term, gradual decrease in Arctic ice will have on polar bears, and we wont see any noticeable effects for many, many decades yet.

I will also point out that Arctic ice levels fluctuate significantly through the course of a year naturally. In summer months, the volume of ice can reduce by up to 50%, so polar bears are already well adapted and capable of dealing with radical changes in their environments. Melting ice is no big deal for a polar bear, they are phenomenal swimmers, capable of swimming literally hundreds of miles in search of new solid ground.

In all likeliness, this is just an old, sick or injured bear that is no longer capable of hunting. This is the primary cause of death for most predators on Earth. It's not nice to see, but that's nature I'm afraid, it's a harsh and cruel mistress.
Not one shred of evidence... bar the fact that it's had to go in land to find food due to its own eco-system being destroyed.


It always surprises me, the lengths some people go to deny climate change is either real or caused by human activity when the overwhelming evidence points to the fact that it is.

The sheer paranoia that some people have, who seem to think global warming is this liberal-elitist conspiracy, is really quite strange. The ice caps are melting, the global temperature is rising. They're undeniable facts. Polar bear numbers are dwindling and due to the ice melting, their eco-systems are being destroyed.

You may as well be arguing that gravity doesn't exist or that the earth is still flat.

As for 'no noticeable effects', you mean how the population of polar bears is decreasing and is projected to decreased by another 30% in the next few decades?
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Don't believe everything you're told. I remember seeing something about this a while back and they said that this happens naturally in the wild and would happen even if humans didn't exist, though of course, over fishing and global warming has increased the likelihood of this happening. It's a situation of natural selection and very few times do polar bears get a catch, so it may simply be an unsuccessful hunter and became so weak from being malnourished that it was unable to hunt further. Or it could have an illness.
There is no evidence that the polar bear has become this way, directly because of humans. It can be a number of things and of course, people who are trying to protect the planet and these animals (I totally support them too) will use this to get their message across and it has worked. I don't believe this is the first or last predator to die from starvation.
It is undeniable that global warming is destroying the eco-systems of these creatures. It is quite literally, melting them.

Yet somehow, people still seem to be arguing that it's all a big conspiracy.
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“I don’t know why that bear is all skinny and raggedy- ergo it *must* be the fault of humans”

That’s science right there.
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“I don’t know why that bear is all skinny and raggedy- ergo it *must* be the fault of humans”

That’s science right there.

I mean, there is undeniable scientific evidence that human activity is causing climate change and that climate change is causing the ice caps to melt and the eco-systems of such creatures are being destroyed as a result. There is also clear proof that their number is dwindling and projected to reduce much further.

I don't really know on what grounds people seem to think that global warming isn't happening. It seems that people have decided its inconvenient for them and therefore the easiest response is to just flat out deny it.
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Nah according to alex jones its the gay frogs causing this not the conspiracy made by leftists called global warming created to take our guns away
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You're a trumptard too arent you?
Instead of hurling childish insults towards me, why don't you 'educate' me and point out exactly what I am wrong about in my original post?
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Not one shred of evidence... bar the fact that it's had to go in land to find food due to its own eco-system being destroyed.


It always surprises me, the lengths some people go to deny climate change is either real or caused by human activity when the overwhelming evidence points to the fact that it is.

The sheer paranoia that some people have, who seem to think global warming is this liberal-elitist conspiracy, is really quite strange. The ice caps are melting, the global temperature is rising. They're undeniable facts. Polar bear numbers are dwindling and due to the ice melting, their eco-systems are being destroyed.

You may as well be arguing that gravity doesn't exist or that the earth is still flat.

As for 'no noticeable effects', you mean how the population of polar bears is decreasing and is projected to decreased by another 30% in the next few decades?
Where did I deny climate change?
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Yes, nothing wrong with their homes being melted away
My point there was that Arctic sea ice has always naturally receded during the Summer months, and grows again in the Winter, and polar bears are more than equipped to survive these radical fluctuations in their natural habitats throughout the year. Which is why I am highly skeptical of the claim that the bear in this video is starving solely because of melting sea ice.


You climat change denying retards really amaze me. Learn some science, educate yourself about the difference between weather and climate and do some research instead of being spewing crap on this site you uneducated degenerative old ****.
I do not deny that climate change is occuring. I really don't understand why you feel the need to be so incredibly agressive towards me?
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I mean, there is undeniable scientific evidence that human activity is causing climate change and that climate change is causing the ice caps to melt and the eco-systems of such creatures are being destroyed as a result. There is also clear proof that their number is dwindling and projected to reduce much further.

I don't really know on what grounds people seem to think that global warming isn't happening. It seems that people have decided its inconvenient for them and therefore the easiest response is to just flat out deny it.
But there you go again - conflating two completely seperate things.

The debate you've been having with the polar bear afficionado here is that he is saying that there is no evidence to link a skinny polar bear with global warming.

Your reply is to claim that people are denying global warming.

These are not in any way the same thing - and part of the reason why the new politics is so contaminated. The idea that a video or social media post is posted ergo is true.

The point is that you don't know why that polar bear is skinny, but you're trying to cover that with a totally seperate issue.
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Yes you're right the climate does change over thousands of years.There are well known cycles called milankovitch cycles.However the climate is changing much faster than that.Climate change doesn't happen in a couple of centuries.It happens naturally over millennia.So why is this climate change happening over a period of decades? Why do you use science to tell you about the climate thousands of years ago yet not trust it when those very same scientific methods are employed to tell you about the climate today?
I'm not denying climate change in modern times but rather using it to show the adaptability of polar bears.
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I'm not denying climate change in modern times but rather using it to show the adaptability of polar bears.
You're still here? After saying that the polar bears are suffering from overpopulation? Lmao, you're brave and you have no dignity or pride.
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I'm not denying climate change in modern times but rather using it to show the adaptability of polar bears.
They are not that adaptable.Humans are adaptable because we can survive anywhere.A polar bear is highly specialised to suit its environment.It has to have ice because otherwise it cannot hunt seals.The seals cannot see it coming as it blends into the snow but its much harder for them to hunt if there is no ice.Yes the sea ice retreats periodically each year in the summer but then it is supposed to come back.The period between the ice retreating and coming back is getting longer each year so much so that people are talking about a new arctic shipping channel opening up.
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But there you go again - conflating two completely seperate things.

The debate you've been having with the polar bear afficionado here is that he is saying that there is no evidence to link a skinny polar bear with global warming.

Your reply is to claim that people are denying global warming.

These are not in any way the same thing - and part of the reason why the new politics is so contaminated. The idea that a video or social media post is posted ergo is true.

The point is that you don't know why that polar bear is skinny, but you're trying to cover that with a totally seperate issue.
It's not a totally separte issue at all. Polar bears are having to travel much further in land to source food because their eco-systems are being destroyed by a rise in global temperatures.

It's the reason that their numbers are dwindling and projected to reduce much further.

Maybe the polar bear just fancied a day trip and got lost though eh? We may as well seek a guilt free explanation when all the evidence points to the contrary.
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Where did I deny climate change?
So a polar bear travels in land to find food due to its own eco-system being destroyed by a rise in global temperatures and you claim it has nothing to do with global warming...
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It is undeniable that global warming is destroying the eco-systems of these creatures. It is quite literally, melting them.

Yet somehow, people still seem to be arguing that it's all a big conspiracy.
I don't deny global warming or that we are harming the planet. I believe in global warming entirely. But I also believe in nature and natural selection and as I said, this sort of thing does happen in the wild, just people like to jump on it to send a message to the world, which I'm not saying is a bad thing either as some people still think it's fake and Trump doesn't help with that.
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Now is the time to set up a GofundMe page on behalf of polar bears...

Maybe to provide an old bears home where they can be looked after in their latter days.
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