Labour Party Conference Thread 2021

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Starmer's speech was quite good. There's a fairly long way to go yet until the election and he has time to improve.

Where Labour are really not doing well is in landing decisive blows on the Tories at a time when it should be easy for them. Oppositions always get accused of this, as it is harder for them to grab headlines than for the governing party, but this is where the House and PMQs come into play. Starmer needs to be tougher and more focused in his assaults on Johnson.

I think Labour's front bench still look weak and it doesn't do much for them bringing back the likes of Mandelson and Miliband.
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Labours incompetence.

We’ve had three pages of it though. Take your admin work elsewhere.
In the mean time the conservatives amazing incompetence grinds our country to a stand still, but yea just focus on some irrelevant trans non topic.

Let's shift the focus to Labour 🙄
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In the mean time the conservatives amazing incompetence grinds our country to a stand still, but yea just focus on some irrelevant trans non topic.

Let's shift the focus to Labour 🙄
But does have great potential for private eye style mockery and stand up comedy humour. :cookie:
Conservatives, DUP and Labour.
Maybe the Greens and SNP will be obliging enough to join the party soon.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
In the mean time the conservatives amazing incompetence grinds our country to a stand still, but yea just focus on some irrelevant trans non topic.

Let's shift the focus to Labour 🙄
Have I not referred to this current government as possibly the most incompetent of all time? Let’s get this right here. The current government are incompetent, which makes Labours problems even more entertaining.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
But does have great potential for private eye style mockery and stand up comedy humour. :cookie:
Conservatives, DUP and Labour.
Maybe the Greens and SNP will be obliging enough to join the party soon.
Greens are already there! Absolute laughing stock.
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
Have I not referred to this current government as possibly the most incompetent of all time? Let’s get this right here. The current government are incompetent, which makes Labours problems even more entertaining.
As much as it pains me to say it, you're right!


At a time when panic buying is bringing the country to a semi stand, with even ambulance drivers cueing with everyone else for fuel to save people's lifes! Why well because (as per usual) the Conservatives are their usual disastrouselves.... And Labours response? Well, we decide to go to war with eachother on exactly the same issues that is causing Government to self destruct! The true toffee nosed blues are claiming the government is left wing, look at Labour and we have a few Tankies shouting the labour leadership is right wing! And another movement within Labour wanting to copy exactly the same economic policies Johnson won on!


While the country sinks in the banging success of this incompetent government. Amazingly they have make a hash of just about everything including impressing their core supporters but .... they will still win the next GE
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(Original post by londonmyst)
But does have great potential for private eye style mockery and stand up comedy humour. :cookie:
Conservatives, DUP and Labour.
Maybe the Greens and SNP will be obliging enough to join the party soon.
I can see the sketch

Seriously though, you might jest but realistically Labour could merge with the someone if they continue to push for this middle ground unicorn land where all elections are magically won and national debt doesn't need paying off. Without the support of the trade unions and working classes, Labour are not Labour.

Problem is who's going to ever merge with a party as disingenuous as the SNP or batty as the greens. So it's not looking good for those on the left, like me! And the basic facts are if we on the left don't win power everybody bar the elite few at the top lose. Bleak future I fear
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
I can see the sketch

Seriously though, you might jest but realistically Labour could merge with the someone if they continue to push for this middle ground unicorn land where all elections are magically won and national debt doesn't need paying off. Without the support of the trade unions and working classes, Labour are not Labour.

Problem is who's going to ever merge with a party as disingenuous as the SNP or batty as the greens. So it's not looking good for those on the left, like me! And the basic facts are if we on the left don't win power everybody bar the elite few at the top lose. Bleak future I fear
I'm a bit more optimistic (although still livid with the wets of conservative front benches).
After all- Dominic Raab is Deputy PM, Priti Patel Home Secretary and Jacob Rees-Mogg Leader of the House of Commons. :cool:
Fingers crossed that the influence of the ERG & Thatcherism will make a swift return to Conservative Party leaderships and policies.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree that the usual swing voter won't have a clue what Labour stand for. I've said it before, but Labour have been terribly poor in communicating their policies to the public; certainly the recent rows and comments haven't helped them. The point I am addressing, though, is not whether Labour have been effective communicators but rather if they have any 'non-identity' policies at all, which you seem believe isn't the case
This is the greatest victory for the media/tories. The changes that's got under people's skin has happened on Tory watch but somehow Labour gets the blame.

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(Original post by londonmyst)
I'm a bit more optimistic (although still livid with the wets of conservative front benches).
After all- Dominic Raab is Deputy PM, Priti Patel Home Secretary and Jacob Rees-Mogg Leader of the House of Commons. :cool:
Fingers crossed that the influence of the ERG & Thatcherism will make a swift return to Conservative Party leaderships and policies.
The ERG don’t have the numbers. They only got Boris on the ballot because the election results that may made MP’s defecate themselves.
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(Original post by londonmyst)
I'm a bit more optimistic (although still livid with the wets of conservative front benches).
After all- Dominic Raab is Deputy PM, Priti Patel Home Secretary and Jacob Rees-Mogg Leader of the House of Commons. :cool:
Fingers crossed that the influence of the ERG & Thatcherism will make a swift return to Conservative Party leaderships and policies.
Yes and no. On the one hand Boris Johnson thinks the UK needs the worst parts of socialism, the worst parts of capitalism and the worst parts of green politics at the same time and I'd welcome anyone other than him. However I'm a social conservative who supports a mixed economy and I'm not naive enough to think that Raab or Rees-Mogg would ever go against social liberalism, so I don't think they'd do anything other than be slightly less woke than Boris, slash benefits some more and keep immigration rates high.

That said, my definition of social conservatism is something 90% of people in this country would call a Catholic theocracy and there's no way any mainstream politician would support anything like that, so I just take the least worst option every election when it comes to social issues.
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Yes and no. On the one hand Boris Johnson thinks the UK needs the worst parts of socialism, the worst parts of capitalism and the worst parts of green politics at the same time and I'd welcome anyone other than him. However I'm a social conservative who supports a mixed economy and I'm not naive enough to think that Raab or Rees-Mogg would ever go against social liberalism, so I don't think they'd do anything other than be slightly less woke than Boris, slash benefits some more and keep immigration rates high.

That said, my definition of social conservatism is something 90% of people in this country would call a Catholic theocracy and there's no way any mainstream politician would support anything like that, so I just take the least worst option every election when it comes to social issues.
I'm getting ultra trad vibes.
Are you OD or converted by the ultra trads?
My maternal grandmother is both.
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That said, my definition of social conservatism is something 90% of people in this country would call a Catholic theocracy and there's no way any mainstream politician would support anything like that, so I just take the least worst option every election when it comes to social issues.
Have you considered relocating to Poland? They are pretty big on recreating a Catholic theocracy right now.
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I'm getting ultra trad vibes.
Are you OD or converted by the ultra trads?
My maternal grandmother is both.
No, I'm not OD or really associated with any trad groups. I'd call myself a trad, but I usually go to the Novus Ordo because there aren't any TLM's near where I live.

Why do you ask?
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In the mean time the conservatives amazing incompetence grinds our country to a stand still, but yea just focus on some irrelevant trans non topic.

Let's shift the focus to Labour 🙄
Agreed, both parties are bad.
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Agreed, both parties are bad.
Oh and here's me thinking the labour party has been out of power for 11 years :confused:
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Oh and here's me thinking the labour party has been out of power for 11 years :confused:
Still both bad for me. Don't like Kier (does the same thing as Boris: dodges questions, not good enough etc) or frankly anyone in this parliament, props to Dawn for calling Boris Johnson what he is (A dirty liar) but other than that I believe that both parties are bad despite me being left wing. Don't have faith in this parliament, especially considering the fact that you aren't allowed to call a member of the house a liar when they lie (so massive oppression). Boris Johnson has frankly got to go but I don't believe that labour are any better. Maybe labour can get better but for now nah I'm out forget about labour or the Tories. I just don't know what labour actually stand for if I'm being honest, like what are their specific goals? What do they want to achieve? Etc happy for you to explain. I don't dislike labour or the Tories btw, I just believe that they are both bad (false promises, incompetent, liars etc) but Boris Johnson is worse obviously.

If you like labour then that's fine I don't care what political party a person supports as long as they are able to criticise it when they do things wrong, which thankfully most people can, my negative attitude personally doesn't like anyone in this parliament. If labour win then hopefully they can do better than Boris but for now idk.
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Oh and here's me thinking the labour party has been out of power for 11 years :confused:
But yeah I'm stick of some right wingers (left wing people do it too) trying to blame the other side for issues that their party had caused. Funny how you get some people saying "but but labour would have done worse" whenever someone tries criticise the Tories or vice versa, just pathetic if I'm being honest. Should look at the mogg of the week channel on YouTube, full of people bowing down to this bad government. I just hope that labour are the one's to make this parliament and the country better but frankly I'm not hoping for anything.
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Oh and here's me thinking the labour party has been out of power for 11 years :confused:
They have, and keep going the way they are it’ll be another 11 years on top of that. This forum alone constantly demonstrates all that’s wrong with left wing politics. If the same Labour ideas that are peddled on here become mainstream policy Labour are, and still will be, ****ed.
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They have, and keep going the way they are it’ll be another 11 years on top of that.
With a bit of luck. :crossedf:
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