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MSt in Practical Ethics

Is anyone here going to be on the MSt in Practical Ethics?

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Reply 1
Hey, I wonder if anyone else here applied for the MSt in Practical Ethics at Oxford? 😀
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Original post by Dranox
Hey, I wonder if anyone else here applied for the MSt in Practical Ethics at Oxford? 😀
Hey yes I applied, I take it you have not heard anything yet?
Reply 3
Hey, so nice to hear from you!
No, still nothing, though the application deadline was Jan 19 so it still hasn't been 8 weeks, and it's said that the offers are given 8-10 weeks after submission deadline.

Can you tell me more about yourself and your background? I'm really curious. :wink:
Very nice to hear from you as well. It is hard to find someone else who has applied for the Practical Ethics course. Yes I noticed the 8 week point as well so it will be 8 weeks at the end of next week I believe.

In terms of myself, I am a lawyer by background I have been a lawyer for nearly 15 years. Therefore, I have an undergraduate and postgraduate degree in law, as well as a Masters specialising in Management which I completed a couple of years ago. I was interested in the course because a lot of the topics seem relevant to me for example there is a unit on the ethics around life and death, and on the life side I advise women who have been raped in DRC the so called "rape capital of the world" according to the UN on their rights around abortion. I am also conducting research into end of life care for Macmillan so that all tied in with me.

What about yourself? I am curious as to your background as well.
Reply 5
I just checked your history and realized that I read all of your posts before! I found them when I was reading everything I could find about this MSt a couple of months ago.
Your explanation about your own grading on the DSAR and the comments you received were super interesting to read, so thanks a lot for the public service you did!

Thanks for providing details about yourself, sounds like you have quite some work experience, which seems to fit very well with this MSt cohorts, many of which, as you know, are older than the average master student. So that might also be one of your advantages, other than the stellar academics you mentioned in your DSAR post.

Your interests steer definitely on the heavier side, but arguably are super worthwhile and purpose-driven, so it's great to hear that you seem to have well internally-developed interests. Any particular reason you got engaged in these specific topics?

As for me, I'm also a mature student. But my path is a bit unconventional. I used to work in various industries, the last being tech. Then I moved from Europe to Taiwan to do my undergrad degree in something you could call technology management, I'm about to finish it this semester. I was on a special customized study path, so almost half of my courses ended up being either master or PhD-level. I took a graduate course about Grief as understood from a philosophical and clinical perspective, which is somewhat related to your end-of-life research. That was fascinating.

But my general interests within this course relate more to the units about AI, Data Ethics and neuroethics. I've been following the AI field for almost 15 years and was super positively surprised to see that academia started to finally offer programs about AI ethics.

Have you applied to any other programs?
Original post by Dranox
I just checked your history and realized that I read all of your posts before! I found them when I was reading everything I could find about this MSt a couple of months ago.
Your explanation about your own grading on the DSAR and the comments you received were super interesting to read, so thanks a lot for the public service you did!

Thanks for providing details about yourself, sounds like you have quite some work experience, which seems to fit very well with this MSt cohorts, many of which, as you know, are older than the average master student. So that might also be one of your advantages, other than the stellar academics you mentioned in your DSAR post.

Your interests steer definitely on the heavier side, but arguably are super worthwhile and purpose-driven, so it's great to hear that you seem to have well internally-developed interests. Any particular reason you got engaged in these specific topics?

As for me, I'm also a mature student. But my path is a bit unconventional. I used to work in various industries, the last being tech. Then I moved from Europe to Taiwan to do my undergrad degree in something you could call technology management, I'm about to finish it this semester. I was on a special customized study path, so almost half of my courses ended up being either master or PhD-level. I took a graduate course about Grief as understood from a philosophical and clinical perspective, which is somewhat related to your end-of-life research. That was fascinating.

But my general interests within this course relate more to the units about AI, Data Ethics and neuroethics. I've been following the AI field for almost 15 years and was super positively surprised to see that academia started to finally offer programs about AI ethics.

Have you applied to any other programs?
That is great, yes I posted before because I find the Oxford application process somewhat opaque so I thought if it could help someone in future then that would be worthwhile, I hope it helped.

Your path sounds really interesting, especially taking PhD level classes, I have not got to that level yet myself. Which university in Taiwan was that? Were they able to create bespoke programmes for students doing that degree because that is how the university works there or was this more tailored to yourself as a no doubt exceptional mature student?

In terms of the topics, in relation to the abortion matters, I am head of legal for a charity that helps rape victims so it was almost inevitable I would need to engage with ethical considerations around abortion. Then in terms of end of life considerations, my dad sadly had a terminal illness and so I was confronted with it as part of that process. It was that which led to my work with Macmillan around how we consider the views and opinions of those with terminal illnesses and their family in treatment plans. Whilst as a lawyer, I have had to deal with some medico-legal issues such as the separation of Siamese twins where separating a twin will kill the so called weaker twin but save the stronger twin, that is a very hard situation to argue.

AI and ethics is certainly an fascinating area to get involved in, did you work on AI software or similar when you were working in tech?

Out of curiosity, did you nominate a college, when you applied if so which one?

No, I did not apply to any other programmes, you?
Reply 7
Original post by babybarista1
That is great, yes I posted before because I find the Oxford application process somewhat opaque so I thought if it could help someone in future then that would be worthwhile, I hope it helped.

Your path sounds really interesting, especially taking PhD level classes, I have not got to that level yet myself. Which university in Taiwan was that? Were they able to create bespoke programmes for students doing that degree because that is how the university works there or was this more tailored to yourself as a no doubt exceptional mature student?

In terms of the topics, in relation to the abortion matters, I am head of legal for a charity that helps rape victims so it was almost inevitable I would need to engage with ethical considerations around abortion. Then in terms of end of life considerations, my dad sadly had a terminal illness and so I was confronted with it as part of that process. It was that which led to my work with Macmillan around how we consider the views and opinions of those with terminal illnesses and their family in treatment plans. Whilst as a lawyer, I have had to deal with some medico-legal issues such as the separation of Siamese twins where separating a twin will kill the so called weaker twin but save the stronger twin, that is a very hard situation to argue.

AI and ethics is certainly an fascinating area to get involved in, did you work on AI software or similar when you were working in tech?

Out of curiosity, did you nominate a college, when you applied if so which one?

No, I did not apply to any other programmes, you?
Yes, it was super helpful, and most people (including me at the time) don't know about this, so thanks again!

I think my advantage was life experience when getting into the undergrad. I knew what I wanted (more advanced courses in a variety of fields) and pursued it pretty early. It was a top uni in Taiwan, I can tell you which one privately, as I think I'm already disclosing plenty enough to doxx myself. 😅

I was actually initially frustrated with having to do undergrad because I felt I was just interested in graduate courses, but it worked out fine in the end thanks to that bespoke change. It was more of a tailored approach, I think I was the only person in my department doing any such individualized curriculum. But I was definitely very lucky in that respect and I'm super grateful that the uni allowed me to do it. Getting the opportunity to design my curriculum was one of the main reasons why I enjoyed it so much. It enabled me to take grad courses in management, philosophy, design, politics, etc. and have constant in-depth discussion with professors, and that's what I really craved. It was a huge improvement over undergrad courses, which are usually bigger in size and therefore make it more difficult to have deep bi-directional discussion. But conversely, I'm also not cut out for sitting in 3-hour long lectures if I am unable to constantly interact with the faculty, I quickly lose my interest and I'm unable to focus. So frankly it was a life-saver to be able to mostly avoid it.

Sorry to hear about your dad, I have quite some experience with my family members getting cancer, so I get a bit of where you are coming from. Indeed there's a lot of interesting ethical discussion about the end of life, advance directives and abortion. A lot of interesting topics worth discussing in depth (and that have been considered already). I think that most of the current legal framework around the world in regard to these topics should be overhauled with the ethical considerations taking centre stage when crafting and reforming legislation on these matters. But obviously it's not so easy since most legislation has to pass through usually highly partisan and ideologically entrenched political parties. And then you have also the conjoined twins that you mentioned, which is itself an interesting ethical dilemma. Honestly, so many topics that would be great to discuss!

My tech work experience actually had limited direct exposure to AI, it's just something I've been fascinated with on my own.
Yes, I picked Christ Church, but since it's a part-time study based on residential weeks I didn't expect to spend much time in the college. :wink: How about you?

I also applied to programmes in the U. of Edinburgh and Cambridge and so far got an offer from Cambridge in Ethics of AI. Still waiting for the funding results.
Interesting, the approach of talking to the lecturers would suit the Oxford tutorial style.

Yes absolutely in terms of the topics, all very interesting.

I also picked Christ Church so we could potentially be at the same college if we both get in.

Congratulations on the offer from Cambridge, that is great and bodes well for your Oxford application.
If you do get an update on your application it would be good to hear from you about that.
Reply 10
Original post by babybarista1
If you do get an update on your application it would be good to hear from you about that.

Of course, and vice versa. :wink:

I do wonder when they usually release the results, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Original post by Dranox
Of course, and vice versa. :wink:
I do wonder when they usually release the results, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Yes indeed, the wait is very frustrating.
Reply 12
Yes, applied on a whim to fill a CV gap.
Reply 13
Oh, hiii!! So nice to hear from another candidate!

Can you tell us a bit more about yourself and your background? 😃
Reply 14
I already hold 3 degrees (BA, MA, PhD Philosophy) and 2 PGCerts, including a PGCE from Pembroke, Oxford.

I'm an academic at a different University but my specialisms mean that I didn't really do much 'ethics' during my degrees. I work a lot in widening participation and non-traditional entry so I'm really interested in AI and data ethics for work, and end-of-life and neuroethics from a personal perspective.
Reply 15
Original post by Dranox
Of course, and vice versa. :wink:
I do wonder when they usually release the results, but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Late March/early April is the usual.
Reply 16
Original post by gjd800
I already hold 3 degrees (BA, MA, PhD Philosophy) and 2 PGCerts, including a PGCE from Pembroke, Oxford.
I'm an academic at a different University but my specialisms mean that I didn't really do much 'ethics' during my degrees. I work a lot in widening participation and non-traditional entry so I'm really interested in AI and data ethics for work, and end-of-life and neuroethics from a personal perspective.
Thanks, yes, good to know, I thought as much considering the 8-10 week suggested timeframe for results since the submission deadline.

Interesting, so you are already an academic. I find it fascinating that this MSt draws so much interest from people who already have a PhD. I think this is the only master's program I know of that is so popular with people with higher-level degrees. I guess it's due to the fact that this is kind of a parallel field of study that can be beneficial to people at various stages of their careers and can be used to contextualize whatever it is that they are doing.

Oh, you work in the UK? I actually have not knowledge of how non-traditional entry works there. We have something like that at my university in Taiwan where every year they admit a certain number of Taiwanese who show exceptional talent in various fields, often in fine arts, music, etc. Is it similar there?
Reply 17
Original post by Dranox
Thanks, yes, good to know, I thought as much considering the 8-10 week suggested timeframe for results since the submission deadline.
Interesting, so you are already an academic. I find it fascinating that this MSt draws so much interest from people who already have a PhD. I think this is the only master's program I know of that is so popular with people with higher-level degrees. I guess it's due to the fact that this is kind of a parallel field of study that can be beneficial to people at various stages of their careers and can be used to contextualize whatever it is that they are doing.
Oh, you work in the UK? I actually have not knowledge of how non-traditional entry works there. We have something like that at my university in Taiwan where every year they admit a certain number of Taiwanese who show exceptional talent in various fields, often in fine arts, music, etc. Is it similar there?
Yes, at a large university in the North of England.

We basically work at the School-level look for promising candidates from underrepresented backgrounds, low-participation areas etc and try to find ways to get them into excellent universities, so it's the same sort of idea! We go for all types of students, kids in schools, mature applicants, people that've achieved outside of academia etc. I have a vested interest really because many moons ago, I was one such candidate myself and was very grateful to have a philosophy dept take a chance on me.

I basically want to fill a skill gap which will give me a grounding to teach this stuff at undergraduate level. More feathers in the cap and all that. Nothing like this was available when I did my degrees, and my specialisms are nowhere close to it either, so if it pans out for me it could be really nice.
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Reply 18
Oh, that's an inspiring background, so happy to hear you were given a chance. I often think of all those amazing people around with incredible potential who were not given such chances, or who were deemed not talented purely because of not being good test-takers. It always feels so frustrating as I just see so much potential being squandered by the current system when so many of those people could have thrived if nurtured in the right environment. It's very admirable and commendable what you do!
Hi @gjd800, apologies @gjd800 I was not as engaged in the initial conversation with you yesterday, my daughter had to go to hospital, she is ok now but we were in A&E until 3am so I was both distracted and knackered. Good luck to us all.
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