&quot;Surgeons are butchers&quot; - Discuss.

This thread does not contain nearly enough orthopod jokes.

Reply 22

Spencer Wells

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Original post by -Dragonfly-

I thought butchering was generally seen as a brash process myself. Surgery is anything but brash imo. It can take many hours, and the end result can turn out as a work of art, which can be seen in even the finest detail- such as stitches. I see surgical work as precise with beautifull execution and a clear design and purpose of a beneficial intent... to save (or improve) a life.

You clearly haven't seen enough surgery (especially orthopaedics).

Surgeons are butchers. End of (and I'm happy to say this as an SHO in a surgical specialty). Nothing is a subtle as manipulating physiology with pharmacological agents.

Reply 23

Original post by Spencer Wells

You clearly haven't seen enough surgery (especially orthopaedics).

Surgeons are butchers. End of (and I'm happy to say this as an SHO in a surgical specialty). Nothing is a subtle as manipulating physiology with pharmacological agents.

You wouldn't have said this a year ago. :p:

j00ni

Generally medics see surgeons as having forgotten much of the nuances of medicine/physiology (often true, but probably more often not), and are therefore thought of as rather brash, blunt instruments (especially orthopods).

But screws and saws are shiny and sharp! :p:

And powertools are fun.

Anyway, I have absolutely no desire to be a surgeon, but I neither see them as butchers nor as the heroes some people in this thread (who have clearly not seen enough surgery) make them out to be. What they do they generally do very well. But what they don't do is (frequently) the medical/social stuff.

Reply 24

LewDacris

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I think the reference to surgeons being butchers come from well back in the days. When Doctors needed to carry out surgery on a patient, they would call a butcher in to carry out the procedure under the supervision and guidance of the doctor. I believe, becasue they felt butchers were much more steady of hand and more able to deal with blood, muscle bones and so on......HENCE....why if you choose a career in medicine you retain the Dr title, but as a surgeon you are simply Mr or Mrs.

BUT, this is just something i heard i dont know whether it is correct, but sounds feasible to me lol

Reply 25

Original post by LewDacris

I think the reference to surgeons being butchers come from well back in the days. When Doctors needed to carry out surgery on a patient, they would call a butcher in to carry out the procedure under the supervision and guidance of the doctor. I believe, becasue they felt butchers were much more steady of hand and more able to deal with blood, muscle bones and so on......HENCE....why if you choose a career in medicine you retain the Dr title, but as a surgeon you are simply Mr or Mrs.

BUT, this is just something i heard i dont know whether it is correct, but sounds feasible to me lol

Nope. Barbers used to do most basic surgery in the days before anaesthesia/antisepsis, fairly independently of physicians. They were not allowed to join the Royal College of Physicians, hence the Mr/Miss title. TTBOMK butchers as a profession have never really had that much of an association with medicine.

Reply 26

Spencer Wells

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Original post by LewDacris

BUT, this is just something i heard i dont know whether it is correct, but sounds feasible to me lol

Remove butchers in that story, replace them with barbers (the chaps who cut your hair) and take away the physician supervision and you're close to how surgeons (and their lack of Dr title) evolved.*

*I use the term "evolved" loosely - the prominent brow and prognathoid jaw of many a surgeon harks back to paleolithic times, as do their methods.

Reply 27

There's are two types of surgeon; bastards and slow bastards. :tongue:

Reply 28

Original post by j00ni

(especially orthopods).

What's the difference between a 'pod and a rhino?

One has a thick hide and charges a lot, the other is an African land mammal. :colone:

Reply 29

Original post by Renal

What's the difference between a 'pod and a rhino?

One has a thick hide and charges a lot, the other is an African land mammal. :colone:

You missed the bit about being permanently horny.

What's the definition of a double blind trial?

Reply 30

Becca-Sarah

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Original post by Helenia

You missed the bit about being permanently horny.

What's the definition of a double blind trial?

Two orthopods looking at an ECG :rofl:

How many orthopods does it take to change a lightbulb?

Reply 31

I'm worried that I'm starting to like surgery. I hated it as a student because they made me try to answer obscure anatomy questions. Now, my role is to banter with the surgical SHO about whether they'll be able to close before the punter wakes up. :colone:

Original post by Becca-Sarah

Two orthopods looking at an ECG :rofl:

How many orthopods does it take to change a lightbulb?

None. Ref medics, darkness ?cause.

How many Bart's surgeons does is take to change a lightbulb?

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 32

qasman

Original post by j00ni

Generally medics see surgeons as having forgotten much of the nuances of medicine/physiology (often true, but probably more often not), and are therefore thought of as rather brash, blunt instruments (especially orthopods).

Yes but that's inherent in their job, no? A lot of medical specialists will have forgotten a lot of things from areas not concerning their specialty because they haven't been involved in that field for a long time. That doesn't mean that the surgeons' jobs are useless/uneccessary, etc. No doctor in their right mind would say that. It's just something that medics say to make themselves feel superior to surgeons i suppose.

Reply 33

Original post by qasman

Yes but that's inherent in their job, no? A lot of medical specialists will have forgotten a lot of things from areas not concerning their specialty because they haven't been involved in that field for a long time. That doesn't mean that the surgeons' jobs are useless/uneccessary, etc. No doctor in their right mind would say that. It's just something that medics say to make themselves feel superior to surgeons i suppose.

Do you understand the concept of banter?

Reply 34

Original post by qasman

Yes but that's inherent in their job, no? A lot of medical specialists will have forgotten a lot of things from areas not concerning their specialty because they haven't been involved in that field for a long time.

If you think that surgery doesn't involve a massive amount of general medicine, you're sorely mistaken.

Original post by Renal

How many Bart's surgeons does is take to change a lightbulb?

Change? Never!

Reply 35

Fission_Mailed

What is the definition of a double-blind, placebo controlled study?

Two orthopods and a medical student looking at an ECG.

Reply 36

A 'pod was running late and needed to catch the lift. He arrived just as the lift doors are closing and thrusts his head between them. They opened and he stood there shaking and rubbing his head which had borne the full brunt of the collision.

"Why didn't you use your hands to open the doors?" Asked a fellow passenger.

"I'm an orthopaedic surgeon, I need my hands for my work."

Reply 37

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