A Basic Men's Guide to Success with Women

It's not just about NOT doing the wrong things, it's also about doing the right things.

I may not be flashing cash and throwing compliments left right and center, but doesn't mean I'll be any better at attracting the opposite sex

I was referring to you saying "It just generally means not being a ****."

But this is meant to be advice for guys who are trying to get "something in return". The aim is for more than the girl to have a nice conversation (though she will enjoy the conversation a lot if you succeed in using PUA tactics).

You should treat them with a basic respect, but most women don't sexually respond to be treated really respectfully, like buying them drinks, constantly complimenting them, etc. I know it's nice to think that being really nice to women all the time is the best tactic, but that isn't reality, otherwise these tactics would never had been formulated in the first place. I think most guys start off being really nice to women, find that fails, and then turn to things like PUA.

You don't act like a "total prick", you're creating a false dichotomy, you don't have to either treat them like a queen or treat them like ****. You treat the well, but make them a little bit insecure as well, make sure you look desirable and confident.

I know, if you quoted the whole sentence instead of taking a small part of it out of context you'd get that impression too... seriously, why do people do that? It makes no sense to me. It isn't like people can't just read what I actually wrote anyway.

What I was saying is, you're right in that treating them as equals, rather than superiors is a good tactic (though being slightly condescending in the right way can be even better), and one that a lot of guys miss, BUT a lot of people do this, but still have problems, because they aren't flirting. They also might not be coming across as confident or interesting, because their body language is poor, they are being too self deprecating, or they are asking bad, closed questions. Basically, my point is you're on the right lines but you're oversimplifying it, and saying that things that work don't, because you find them unsavoury. It's fair enough to not like them, but it's lying to say they don't work.

Yes, but if you have trouble even talking to a girl, why would you expect to get much further than that?

Which is why you should get used to just talking to girls normally. That way you don't have to work to convey your personality, it's just there for all to see.

You get used to talking to us like normal human beings. You learn what bores people, what interests people etc by talking to people.

Your successful approach leads to girls telling you to **** off

So knowing what to do to become attractive is manipulative?



If so, I'm pretty damn happy being "manipulative", along with the other 98% of the worlds population who are attractive enough to find a partner at one time of their lives or another



No it is called "learning" One isn't born confident, or intelligent (two important ways to become attractive) but one can learn these traits or knowledge to become attractive.

Attraction isn't about "fooling" anyone, it's about building the skills and knowledge necessary to be able to convey/carry out certain social behaviour (confidence, being an interesting person etc) which will make you more attractive.


Yes it is. Attraction comes from a set of characteristics that can easily be gained or lost, both intentionally and unintentionally

Yes, but if you're so socially awkward around girls that you can't even talk them properly then you're not doing the right thing.

Off topic, but are you from Antigua or Barbuda?



Yes, but if you have trouble even talking to a girl, why would you expect to get much further than that?



Which is why you should get used to just talking to girls normally. That way you don't have to work to convey your personality, it's just there for all to see.




You get used to talking to us like normal human beings. You learn what bores people, what interests people etc by talking to people.



Your successful approach leads to girls telling you to **** off

Respectfully does not imply buying them drinks and complementing them. You need to google "respect".

MOST guys don't need to turn to thinks like PUA because they're not socially incompetent halfwits.

I'll need this, especially for someone who went to an all boys school for the entire life...

Tactic? Seriously? You're still falling into the trap of thinking about women like its some kind of military campaign, rather than a natural social interaction.

The methods you suggest work well enough to get a complete no hoper a chance of scoring with a lot of hard work. But you know what works 100 x better? Just being a normal guy.

You're wrong. Just being a normal guy isn't enough. Why would a girl who gets loads of attention get with "just a normal guy"? Your ideas sound like common sense, but they don't withstand scrutiny, and I know from trying them they don't work.

Most people don't THINK about what makes them attractive at all, they just are. I certainly never did, its only now I've looked back and asked "why WAS I so successful compared to a lot of my friends" that I've realised the things that confident sociable guys naturally do.

Yes, probably because the normal guy is the only one not clumsily hitting on her like a clueless chump. That in itself is an extremely attractive quality.

I really do feel sorry for guys who have such low self respect that they think simply being themselves isn't going to be enough to pull even the most attractive girl in the club, and they have to put on some kind of phony act.

All social interaction is learnt. If I wiped your head clear of all memories, you wouldn't suddenly "know" how to speak to a woman

Sure, LOTS of information is learned subconsciously, such as by observation, where you do not have to be officially "taught" what to do.

For some people, they can easily emulate a dance without practicing, just by observing and replicating. They may even take portions of moves from others and add in/subtract to make a new move.

There are others who can't, who need actual practice and repetition to do so. Just because YOU can do it doesn't mean everyone else can, and it doesn't make you better/worse than someone who may have had to intentionally go through the process of being taught.

Your argument that consciously trying to learn behaviour is somehow less genuine than unconsciously learned behaviour is extremely flawed. Me learning how to drive without being taught and without having to think about it is no more genuine than someone who does have to be taught and does have to think about it.

After a while, the object is to reach unconscious competence - where you can execute the behaviour without thinking about it, without trying, and where it is part of your automatic behaviour

Alright, so lets follow this line of thought: say you need to emulate someone else and practice socialising with women.

Who should you emulate: someone who was naturally successful at it and effortlessly breezed through their 20s withe a constant stream of girlfriends, **** buddies and dates lined up without ever having to even actually try to pull, or someone else who was equally as incompetent as you, and has to work really hard memorising routines and techniques just to get a phone number now and then?

Whose advice should you be taking?

Alright, so lets follow this line of thought: say you need to emulate someone else and practice socialising with women.

Who should you emulate: someone who was naturally successful at it and effortlessly breezed through their 20s withe a constant stream of girlfriends, **** buddies and dates lined up without ever having to even actually try to pull, or someone else who was equally as incompetent as you, and has to work really hard memorising routines and techniques just to get a phone number now and then?

Whose advice should you be taking?

The person who had to learn.

People who have learnt things unconsciously don't always know WHY and HOW they learnt them, and thus cannot always successfully transfer that knowledge and skills.

Sometimes they can, sometimes they can't.

It's the recent why most (not ALL, but most) sports coaches being people who only had moderate success at their sport.

I'd rather take coaching lessons from a top class winning coach who's only played in a handful of first class games than most (NOT ALL) international players in almost any sport tbh

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Your implying that friendship technique for the incompetent guy would work. Treating girls as friends doesn't work. You just get friendzoned.

At least if you awkwardly ask out 1,000 girls it might lead to something. But, friendzoning yourself with 1,000 girls will lead to nothing. Actually, it would end up you listening to girls saying how much there boyfriends sucks and how they would like to be with someone like you, but not you.

So yeah, I would pick the second guy. The first guy is probably a 9/10.

lol, fair enough, enjoy being a loser your whole life.

lol, fair enough, enjoy being a loser your whole life.