Two dads meet their newborn son

Studies show children are actually better off in families where the parents are a gay couple

A childs need should be considered first and foremost. Forcing children to be raised without either a mother and fathers love, when it is not necessary is child abuse imo. No studies have ever been made into what the lasting impact of all this is going to be be, but we already have cases of children who have been been born with IVF, with a donated sperm having major psychological issues, with mothers themselves regretting taking away their children's right to a father. Adopting and fostering are altogether a different situation.

I don't want a pathetic, moronic response but is it child abuse when a mother dies in a car crash, and the father has to raise them by himself? They are isolated incidents.

So I take it by your avoidance of a straight question that you have no evidence that there was bias in the study?

I do have evidence, you're clearly just bias towards them.

Does anyone else find it weird how the two "fathers" pushed the surrogate out of the way? Like they gave birth to the baby? I get that they want to get the bonding in ASAP however something is quite wrong in that image.

If things like this are being accepted in today's society and being considered 'normal' then in a century, you'll be seeing something like a brother and sister getting married.

Ah, the slippery slope argument. Anything to actually back this up? Because the same sort of thing was said when inter-racial marriages were legalised - that'd it'd lead to incest/polygamy/bestiality being legal, and yet that's never panned out. The slope isn't as slippery as you think it is.

Nope, I don't have anything to back it up as nobody knows what the future holds but the fact that in the past, homosexuality wasn't accepted but now it is tells us something, doesn't it?
You never know- incest, polygamy and bestiality may be legalised in the future. Homosexuality took time for it to be accepted into society.
By the way, have you heard about that mother who wanted to marry her son because she claimed that they 'fell in love with each other'. Cases like this just show how the world's society is changing.

Nope, I don't have anything to back it up as nobody knows what the future holds but the fact that in the past, homosexuality wasn't accepted but now it is tells us something, doesn't it?
You never know- incest, polygamy and bestiality may be legalised in the future. Homosexuality took time for it to be accepted into society.
By the way, have you heard about that mother who wanted to marry her son because she claimed that they 'fell in love with each other'. Cases like this just show how the world's society is changing.

By 'nature', I mean the normal and natural way in which God designed a male and a female to have a child. Two dads having a son, therefore, is not natural and so is going against nature.

Nope, I don't have anything to back it up as nobody knows what the future holds but the fact that in the past, homosexuality wasn't accepted but now it is tells us something, doesn't it?
You never know- incest, polygamy and bestiality may be legalised in the future. Homosexuality took time for it to be accepted into society.
By the way, have you heard about that mother who wanted to marry her son because she claimed that they 'fell in love with each other'. Cases like this just show how the world's society is changing.

You're not God to decide that.

So you are linking that story about the incest to homosexuality.....how exactly?

Incest is going on now and just like homosexuality is now accepted, incest could too in the future. That's how I'm linking it.

That's poor. You'll have to do better than that.

Oh absolutely. You cannot approach this issue from a 'rights' perspective it is far more important that we consider the needs of the child above anything else.. That said gay parenting is generally exceptional for two reasons: Firstly any gay couple wishing to start a family must do so very deliberately, and secondly in most circumstances there is a vetting process for them as parents simply because of the avenues they must go down (adoption etc.)